3DMark2001 Scores

harrack52 · 02-07-2003, 02:14 AM

my friend has gta3, so I'll try playiong with that.

By rebooting the system, I always get the same scores each and every time, so that problem's solved.

I played MOHAA with everything maxed at 1024x768x32 and it works. It has minor glitches but I can live with it. I only have to reboot everytime I wanna play.

harrack52 · 02-07-2003, 11:03 PM

Well now it seems I'm stuck at 9k.

I had put everything on performance to see what would happen and the score actually dropped to 8k.
No matter what I do, I can't get past 9030 or so.
I really don'T know why I had 9900 at one point, I'll have to look that up.

I've read that the 9600 series suffers a bit at dx8 games but that it performs well in dx9, I guess we'll see about that.

I'm keeping the card btw, and will upgrade my mobo/cpu/ram. It'll cost me a fraction of the price since I'm selling what I have now.

zeus · 18-07-2003, 06:43 PM

Ive finally reached 5000, infact 5100.
That was with P4a 2ghz at 2.4ghz, 640mbs pc100 at 120 and the mx420 clock from 250/166 core/mem at 330/210.

Ive since also managed to get another 5mhz out of the fsb, making my 2ghz P4a run at 2.5ghz, and my pc100 at 125.

Im quite pleased, thats 2.5ghz 500mhz bus from a 2ghz 400mhz bus with standard hsf and pc100!

I need some pc166.... no I need a springdale and some corsair xms pc4000!

Im gonna give it whirl with the new clock speed.

Its strange, I normally couldnt get past 120 and still be stable, it used to struggle to pass POST at 125fsb, now Ive run every benchmarker and burning in program ive got and it runs a bloody dream. Even my pc100 is transfering at 800mbs. ddr 2100 is only about 1100. normal pc100 is summit like 450-500. Sandra says its summit like 400mbs but thats with a 1ghz duron and p3.

I need some second hand pc133 at least though, then I might try the cpu vcore mod so I can change my pci ratios. I take it 41.25/82.5 pci/agp is high

Big B · 18-07-2003, 08:46 PM

Be careful not to go above 1.75 if you want to keep that CPU more than 6mo or so. I've read about people having dead P4's because of extreme overvolting, and it looks like 1.75V is the highest you want to go before really risking it big time.

Plus, a 25% OC is nothing to balk at. If you want to upgrade anything for a better 3Dmark, look into a video card instead, as that's a bigger bottleneck than the RAM when it comes to gaming.
Springdale...Asus, Abit, AOpen, and Epox Springdale boards all have some type of PAT umph activated with a specific BIOS (and any subsequent ones thereafter).

Yeah, the 41.25MHz on the PCI bus is getting up where you may start to lose some PCI devices after awhile.

harrack52 · 19-07-2003, 04:35 AM

I got 13189 when oced@175*11
I ran Prime95 for an hour and a half without errors so I'm going up to 10*185

zeus · 19-07-2003, 08:46 AM

Ive got the vcore at 1.7 at the momemt, I am gonna start dropping it to see how low I can get it to run at.

I just give loads of juice for the overclock.

I have just finished about 12-13 hours of Prime 95, the core temp was at 45c when I finished, and the board 34c. The board temp is alot higher than normal, I usually get about 23c at 2.4ghz. cpu is normal, even at stock it idles at 40c so....

Ive become a true beleiver of burning in though. When I first got the comp it just would not go past 110 fsb, no matter what. I was gutted! I ran it at 110 for a while then I managed 115, then 120 and now 125. Cant wait till it lets me hit 130! Though its struggling to load windows even at 126.Still passes post at 133 though, ive not tried any higher yet.

zeus · 19-07-2003, 07:35 PM

Just made 127, still stable. I ran prime 95 for 2hours fine. My pc100 is still on the fastest mem timings too.
I cant get 5000 again though

I get artifacts a few mhz above how I have it clocked at now..... if I put a celly heatsink on the gpu and some sinks on the ram does anyone think it will lose the artifacts at the slightly higher speeds and allow me to carry on overclocking it?

O yeah, look at this too. cas 1 bios hack and a graphics card voltage mod makes your 9700pro get scores like this...
http://www.jjman.org/modules/nsectio...rticle&artid=1

Big B · 19-07-2003, 08:27 PM

RAM cooling can't help the IC's go past a certain speed w/o stuff like artifacting. It will help keep it cooler, but that in no way makes it easier to OC. The GPU is a different story.

Voltage mods on the RAM may help, but then you'll have to remember that the extra voltage adds heat. It may help gain a few extra MHz, but for the work done, I think a Vmod at that point is pretty moot.

harrack52 · 19-07-2003, 11:21 PM

I went as high as 13800 when oced@190*11 but it's not stable.

Big B · 20-07-2003, 12:57 AM

Not bad. Of course, I like stability as well.

harrack52 · 20-07-2003, 02:52 AM

Well I ran it in single channel and I only lose 100 pts doing so so I'll stay like that.
I was able to run both 3dmark01 and 03 @195*11.

I got 13464 and 4059.

I'm using the omega drivers which sacrifice performance for quality.
I did see a quality difference, not big but big enough for me to stick with them.
Next step will be to raise the multiplier as much as I can and of course, Prime95.
Higher voltage, again, seems useless for me as it doesn'T make any difference whatsoever.

Big B · 20-07-2003, 01:18 PM

There's that point with all CPU. Going to more extreme measures might help a little bit, but most likely, not enough to really make it worthwhile.

zeus · 20-07-2003, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big B
There's that point with all CPU. Going to more extreme measures might help a little bit, but most likely, not enough to really make it worthwhile.

Yep! I got another 100mhz out of my cpu, ive put a celeron hsf on my mx420 allowing me to clock it 345. With the retail sink on it I could go to 330. Ram stays at 210 from 166........
And it still doesnt guarantee 5000 points in 3d mark 2001.

At 2.4ghz and 330/210 I get 4600-4800 max = 5100
At 2.5 ghz and 345/210 I get 4600-4800 max so far 4800!

Im gonna have a go of some games and render some pics and animation later and see if I notice any difference there.

harrack52 · 20-07-2003, 09:00 PM

Yeah I thought the score would jump more but it seems there is a point where no matter what you do, it won't go much higher.

I've read an article at Hardocp showing that 200FSB doesn'T necessarily give you bigger performance if you don'T have a good speed. ( I don't have the link since I'm having problems with the hardocp's website right now).

I'm pretty much remaining in the 13600-13700 area. Highest I could go is beyond 13800.
Timings are 8-3-3-3, I haven't played with them yet.

Big B · 20-07-2003, 10:34 PM

They can help, but don't expect any huge performance increases from them.

18-07-2003, 06:43 PM	#63 (permalink) Top
zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	Ive finally reached 5000, infact 5100. That was with P4a 2ghz at 2.4ghz, 640mbs pc100 at 120 and the mx420 clock from 250/166 core/mem at 330/210. Ive since also managed to get another 5mhz out of the fsb, making my 2ghz P4a run at 2.5ghz, and my pc100 at 125. Im quite pleased, thats 2.5ghz 500mhz bus from a 2ghz 400mhz bus with standard hsf and pc100! I need some pc166.... no I need a springdale and some corsair xms pc4000! Im gonna give it whirl with the new clock speed. Its strange, I normally couldnt get past 120 and still be stable, it used to struggle to pass POST at 125fsb, now Ive run every benchmarker and burning in program ive got and it runs a bloody dream. Even my pc100 is transfering at 800mbs. ddr 2100 is only about 1100. normal pc100 is summit like 450-500. Sandra says its summit like 400mbs but thats with a 1ghz duron and p3. I need some second hand pc133 at least though, then I might try the cpu vcore mod so I can change my pci ratios. I take it 41.25/82.5 pci/agp is high Last edited by zeus; 18-07-2003 at 06:46 PM.

18-07-2003, 08:46 PM	#64 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	Be careful not to go above 1.75 if you want to keep that CPU more than 6mo or so. I've read about people having dead P4's because of extreme overvolting, and it looks like 1.75V is the highest you want to go before really risking it big time. Plus, a 25% OC is nothing to balk at. If you want to upgrade anything for a better 3Dmark, look into a video card instead, as that's a bigger bottleneck than the RAM when it comes to gaming. Springdale...Asus, Abit, AOpen, and Epox Springdale boards all have some type of PAT umph activated with a specific BIOS (and any subsequent ones thereafter). Yeah, the 41.25MHz on the PCI bus is getting up where you may start to lose some PCI devices after awhile. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

19-07-2003, 08:27 PM	#68 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	RAM cooling can't help the IC's go past a certain speed w/o stuff like artifacting. It will help keep it cooler, but that in no way makes it easier to OC. The GPU is a different story. Voltage mods on the RAM may help, but then you'll have to remember that the extra voltage adds heat. It may help gain a few extra MHz, but for the work done, I think a Vmod at that point is pretty moot. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

20-07-2003, 12:57 AM	#70 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	Not bad. Of course, I like stability as well. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

20-07-2003, 01:18 PM	#72 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	There's that point with all CPU. Going to more extreme measures might help a little bit, but most likely, not enough to really make it worthwhile. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

02-07-2003, 02:14 AM	#61 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	my friend has gta3, so I'll try playiong with that. By rebooting the system, I always get the same scores each and every time, so that problem's solved. I played MOHAA with everything maxed at 1024x768x32 and it works. It has minor glitches but I can live with it. I only have to reboot everytime I wanna play.

02-07-2003, 11:03 PM	#62 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	Well now it seems I'm stuck at 9k. I had put everything on performance to see what would happen and the score actually dropped to 8k. No matter what I do, I can't get past 9030 or so. I really don'T know why I had 9900 at one point, I'll have to look that up. I've read that the 9600 series suffers a bit at dx8 games but that it performs well in dx9, I guess we'll see about that. I'm keeping the card btw, and will upgrade my mobo/cpu/ram. It'll cost me a fraction of the price since I'm selling what I have now.

19-07-2003, 04:35 AM	#65 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	I got 13189 when oced@17511 I ran Prime95 for an hour and a half without errors so I'm going up to 10185

19-07-2003, 08:46 AM	#66 (permalink) Top
zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	Ive got the vcore at 1.7 at the momemt, I am gonna start dropping it to see how low I can get it to run at. I just give loads of juice for the overclock. I have just finished about 12-13 hours of Prime 95, the core temp was at 45c when I finished, and the board 34c. The board temp is alot higher than normal, I usually get about 23c at 2.4ghz. cpu is normal, even at stock it idles at 40c so.... Ive become a true beleiver of burning in though. When I first got the comp it just would not go past 110 fsb, no matter what. I was gutted! I ran it at 110 for a while then I managed 115, then 120 and now 125. Cant wait till it lets me hit 130! Though its struggling to load windows even at 126.Still passes post at 133 though, ive not tried any higher yet.

19-07-2003, 07:35 PM	#67 (permalink) Top
zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	Just made 127, still stable. I ran prime 95 for 2hours fine. My pc100 is still on the fastest mem timings too. I cant get 5000 again though I get artifacts a few mhz above how I have it clocked at now..... if I put a celly heatsink on the gpu and some sinks on the ram does anyone think it will lose the artifacts at the slightly higher speeds and allow me to carry on overclocking it? O yeah, look at this too. cas 1 bios hack and a graphics card voltage mod makes your 9700pro get scores like this... http://www.jjman.org/modules/nsectio...rticle&artid=1

19-07-2003, 11:21 PM	#69 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	I went as high as 13800 when oced@190*11 but it's not stable.

20-07-2003, 02:52 AM	#71 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	Well I ran it in single channel and I only lose 100 pts doing so so I'll stay like that. I was able to run both 3dmark01 and 03 @195*11. I got 13464 and 4059. I'm using the omega drivers which sacrifice performance for quality. I did see a quality difference, not big but big enough for me to stick with them. Next step will be to raise the multiplier as much as I can and of course, Prime95. Higher voltage, again, seems useless for me as it doesn'T make any difference whatsoever.

20-07-2003, 09:00 PM	#74 (permalink) Top
harrack52 Supreme Geek Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 1,638 Times Helpful: 16 My Mood: Sick Status: Offline My Computer	Yeah I thought the score would jump more but it seems there is a point where no matter what you do, it won't go much higher. I've read an article at Hardocp showing that 200FSB doesn'T necessarily give you bigger performance if you don'T have a good speed. ( I don't have the link since I'm having problems with the hardocp's website right now). I'm pretty much remaining in the 13600-13700 area. Highest I could go is beyond 13800. Timings are 8-3-3-3, I haven't played with them yet.

20-07-2003, 10:34 PM	#75 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	They can help, but don't expect any huge performance increases from them. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

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