Well i've got the Iriver h120, it is a bit old and has gone off the shelves but it is good. Not very durable though. The screen cracked and i'm in the process of sending it off. In the meantime the remote has gone faulty too. In terms of when it is all working fine .It is soo stylsih and slick. Comes with a nice case with holes for all the buttons (something Creatives players don't come with) sound quality is good. Plays OGG vorbis too. Also Ipod is a fashion accessory, not always most practical sometimes it doesn't allow you to legally download songs from any other music service other than that of itunes. http://www.napster.co.uk/using_napst...d_napster.html An interesting link. Though if you want legal music i like the look of http://internetdownloads.org