The Answer To The "Moral" Folding Debate

ProcalX · 06-03-2005, 05:22 PM

Right if you all watch this thread it should enlighten us as to the answers we seek:

http://forum.folding-community.org/v...?p=92900#92900

Addis · 06-03-2005, 05:16 PM

I think the answer the question is another question.
Would the data be actually used to help with gene manipulation/cloning. I think not.

I understand that the idea of f@h is to understand how proteins fold, and help scientists research into preventing/curing protein misfolding diseases, by either manipulating our bodily proteins or creating new proteins/nano machines.

The fact is many things can be used for malicious intent but they aren't. F@h shouldn't be treated any differently. Just my opinion.
But we'll just wait for some answers from the other forum.

ProcalX · 06-03-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vijay Pande

FAH has nothing to do with "Gene Manipulation and Cloning." We are interested in understanding fundamental biology and biophysics related to folding, with applications to delibitating diseases such as Alzheimer's and using that understanding to aid the development of drugs (small molecules) to cure them.

This has nothing to do with gene manipulation, cloning, etc. I can't even see how anyone who understands what those words mean could say there is a connection. It's like saying that "I don't want to join the boy scouts since they are interested in gene manipulation and cloning." I'm not sure how to even begin to explain how these statements makes no sense.

It sounds to me that the person commenting does not know what they are talking about, clearly misunderstanding FAH (and likely many other things too).

From: http://forum.folding-community.org/v...?p=92900#92900

Vijay Pande, is head of the Pande group who test and implement the F@H code & findings/research.

Addis · 06-03-2005, 07:44 PM

wow, Vijay Pande posted a reply to you. Bookmark it!
Erm back on topic: Yea thats what I thought so theres no need to stop folding guys!
(in a parallel universe near ours, people read books and scientists are treated like rock stars.)

Big B · 06-03-2005, 09:50 PM

Thanks for looking that up. However, if people still want to not do F@H, no problem. I see no reason to stop with just one DC project. I'm gonna keep folding myself.

Anti-Trend · 06-03-2005, 09:52 PM

Cool! I'm relieved to be able to say with a bit of confidence that F@H is as good as it seems to be. I'm putting my systems back to work folding, and I hope you all do the same.

BTW, I wasn't trying to start a revolution or anything. I just needed to question the implications of my actions before continuing. Now I'm pretty reasonably convinced that what the F@H project is hoping to acheive is not predictibly negative, so I will unreservedly support it from here on in. But I've certainly caught a lot of flak on the F@H forums for this, and I think many people are forgetting the importance of questioning things. I believe it's not wrong to question, but to ignore the answers to those questions.

Einstein said it best: "The important thing is not to stop questioning"

also,

"Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers." Bernhard Haisch, astrophysicist

ninja fetus · 07-03-2005, 02:06 AM

"you gotta keep on keepin' on" Joe Dirt-WhiteTrash

I've started folding again

Fred · 07-03-2005, 06:36 AM

Well, I have started up again as well. The sad thing is that poor ol' procal went out of his way to find another thing to use our computers for. :p

Fred · 07-03-2005, 06:47 AM

Well so long as everyone's doing quotes, i might as well post a few very relevant ones:

A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself. - Henry Morgan

Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity. -Albert Einstein

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. -Winston Churchill

Nic · 08-03-2005, 11:50 PM

Lol and thanks for the info even tho i always kept folding neways

06-03-2005, 05:22 PM	#1 (permalink) Top
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06-03-2005, 05:16 PM	#2 (permalink) Top
Addis The King Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 5,255 Times Helpful: 403 My Mood: Drunk Status: Offline My Computer	I think the answer the question is another question. Would the data be actually used to help with gene manipulation/cloning. I think not. I understand that the idea of f@h is to understand how proteins fold, and help scientists research into preventing/curing protein misfolding diseases, by either manipulating our bodily proteins or creating new proteins/nano machines. The fact is many things can be used for malicious intent but they aren't. F@h shouldn't be treated any differently. Just my opinion. But we'll just wait for some answers from the other forum. __________________ Never trust a program you don't have the source code for. My website \| Powerful Desktop Linux \| Linux for human beings \| Linux for power users \| Linux for ricers

06-03-2005, 07:44 PM	#4 (permalink) Top
Addis The King Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 5,255 Times Helpful: 403 My Mood: Drunk Status: Offline My Computer	wow, Vijay Pande posted a reply to you. Bookmark it! Erm back on topic: Yea thats what I thought so theres no need to stop folding guys! (in a parallel universe near ours, people read books and scientists are treated like rock stars.) __________________ Never trust a program you don't have the source code for. My website \| Powerful Desktop Linux \| Linux for human beings \| Linux for power users \| Linux for ricers

06-03-2005, 09:50 PM	#5 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,640 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	Thanks for looking that up. However, if people still want to not do F@H, no problem. I see no reason to stop with just one DC project. I'm gonna keep folding myself. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

06-03-2005, 09:52 PM	#6 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 4,882 Times Helpful: 538 Status: Offline My Computer	Cool! I'm relieved to be able to say with a bit of confidence that F@H is as good as it seems to be. I'm putting my systems back to work folding, and I hope you all do the same. BTW, I wasn't trying to start a revolution or anything. I just needed to question the implications of my actions before continuing. Now I'm pretty reasonably convinced that what the F@H project is hoping to acheive is not predictibly negative, so I will unreservedly support it from here on in. But I've certainly caught a lot of flak on the F@H forums for this, and I think many people are forgetting the importance of questioning things. I believe it's not wrong to question, but to ignore the answers to those questions. Einstein said it best: "The important thing is not to stop questioning" also, "Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers." Bernhard Haisch, astrophysicist __________________ See My Desktop \| Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support Hardware Forums \| Easily rip DVDs in Linux \| Remember Everything

07-03-2005, 02:06 AM	#7 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	"you gotta keep on keepin' on" Joe Dirt-WhiteTrash I've started folding again

07-03-2005, 06:36 AM	#8 (permalink) Top
Fred Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 23 Male Posts: 659 Times Helpful: 37 Status: Offline My Computer	Well, I have started up again as well. The sad thing is that poor ol' procal went out of his way to find another thing to use our computers for. :p

07-03-2005, 06:47 AM	#9 (permalink) Top
Fred Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 23 Male Posts: 659 Times Helpful: 37 Status: Offline My Computer	Well so long as everyone's doing quotes, i might as well post a few very relevant ones: A kleptomaniac is a person who helps himself because he can't help himself. - Henry Morgan Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity. -Albert Einstein Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. -Winston Churchill

08-03-2005, 11:50 PM	#10 (permalink) Top
Nic Sleepy Head Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 18 Female Posts: 2,470 Times Helpful: 21 My Mood: Sleepy Status: Offline My Computer	Lol and thanks for the info even tho i always kept folding neways __________________

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