Campaign of Misinformation Directed at Linux

Anti-Trend · 09-03-2005, 03:56 AM

According the Open Source Development Laboratories, enemies of the open source movement have been especially busy lately, spreading FUD* and misinformation in general about open source software -- especially GNU/Linux. They take the time to address each and every point that's been brought up recently, including “there aren't enough patches”, “there's too many patches”, “there's no enterprise-level support”, and my personal favorite, “nobody takes responsibility for it!”

The brief article can be found here, courtesy of vnunet.

ninja fetus · 08-03-2005, 11:39 PM

Anti-Trend · 08-03-2005, 11:42 PM

Don't tell me you're surprised, we even had one of these articles posted on this very site!

ninja fetus · 08-03-2005, 11:51 PM

True. I'm taking an intro to computer science class next year, working almost exclusively with RedHat. Wonder if Linux will take over MS.

Anti-Trend · 08-03-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja fetus

...Wonder if Linux will take over MS.

I'd be happy with coexistence at this point. I'm not interested in indoctrinating the world into Linuxism, or firebombing MS headquarters in Redmond. I just wanted to see Linux taken seriously, as I do believe it's a superior product. Even if you don't like Linux or want to use it, who would it benefit to have no options for an OS outside of Microsoft? There are a lot of MS fanboys who would love to see Linux fail. The ironic thing is that if it does, they'll suffer right along with the Linux users. Linux (and OSS) gives MS at least a little incentive to compete, to innovate. If there's no catalyst for change, they have no reason to improve, to fix problems, to charge reasonable prices, or even to answer their phones.

ninja fetus · 09-03-2005, 12:53 AM

exactly!

Fred · 09-03-2005, 01:30 AM

One thing that bothers me is that most of the companies that don't like Linux have a lot of money and can pay people to find faults if they want to. Heck, for all I know, most of them might. Funny thing is, it doesn't take paying people to find security flaws with Windows.

ninja fetus · 09-03-2005, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Funny thing is, it doesn't take paying people to find security flaws with Windows.

zzzzzzzzing

Anti-Trend · 09-03-2005, 02:09 AM

As far as I'm concerned, finding (and fixing!) problems is a good thing. I'd rather find out about it through a security bulletin than by seeing "hacked by chinese!" on my homepage. :p

Addis · 09-03-2005, 10:10 AM

Off Topic:

I'd hate to live in China. They have so tight web censoring.

just a shame theres not enough developers (aswell as hackers) for open source.

Big B · 09-03-2005, 09:58 PM

If they're trying to point out that Linux has problems, I say duh. There is no perfect OS, and if you believe that a certain OS is the only faultless OS, it's just blind fanboyism.

I use Windows at the moment because it's really what I've worked with and learned much of. I sorta know some stuff about Linux, but not to the point where I'm able to flip over. Much of what I see of the problem with Linux isn't so much the OS as the vendor support of good drivers. Not all companies are this way, but when it comes to ATi, they've got a ways to go...unless the new driver update fixes the major issues with performance. Yes, it's much harder to go to a new OS when you've been working with another OS for so long. That doesn't mean it's a bad OS at all.

Fred · 09-03-2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big B

Much of what I see of the problem with Linux isn't so much the OS as the vendor support of good drivers.

Yeah, that's really my only problem with them at this point. It's a little bit of a pain in the butt that there isn't very much software support. But I like the rest of the OS enough that it's worth the trouble right now, and I'm sure as Linux gets more popular, there will be more foreign software.

ProcalX · 10-03-2005, 04:05 AM

hehe Gentoo64

Nic · 10-03-2005, 04:43 AM

I dont like the fact that you have to mount drives to use them that kinda confuzes me but im sure ill get used to I currently have linux on my laptop that I don't use so that I can get used to it.

Big B · 10-03-2005, 07:43 AM

Some distro's will automount for you. Same with automatic NTFS support. SuSe 9.1 Pro doesn't appear to have it natively. I just need to do some command switches...which is one thing that people don't care to do. There's also the words "recompling the kernel" that can freak n00bs out. Linux is getting more user friendly, but much of what I see is with the installation part (not saying it's bad) first, then the actual useability. Linux being very customizeable is also it's weakness for getting new users and/or Windows defectors. It's the sheer variety that's a blessing and a curse.

Linux distro's are light years ahead of where they were 4-5 years ago and people are getting into technology more, which is helping it. There's also specifically targeted distro's like Knoppix and Smoothwall Linux that have specific applications they're designed for.

09-03-2005, 03:56 AM	# 1 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 28 Male Posts: 5,520 Times Helpful: 662 Status: Offline My Computer	Campaign of Misinformation Directed at Linux According the Open Source Development Laboratories, enemies of the open source movement have been especially busy lately, spreading FUD* and misinformation in general about open source software -- especially GNU/Linux. They take the time to address each and every point that's been brought up recently, including “there aren't enough patches”, “there's too many patches”, “there's no enterprise-level support”, and my personal favorite, “nobody takes responsibility for it!” The brief article can be found here, courtesy of vnunet. __________________ Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support HWF \| HWF Kernel Repo \| Remember Everything

08-03-2005, 11:42 PM	# 3 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 28 Male Posts: 5,520 Times Helpful: 662 Status: Offline My Computer	Don't tell me you're surprised, we even had one of these articles posted on this very site! __________________ Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support HWF \| HWF Kernel Repo \| Remember Everything

09-03-2005, 02:09 AM	# 9 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 28 Male Posts: 5,520 Times Helpful: 662 Status: Offline My Computer	As far as I'm concerned, finding (and fixing!) problems is a good thing. I'd rather find out about it through a security bulletin than by seeing "hacked by chinese!" on my homepage. :p __________________ Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support HWF \| HWF Kernel Repo \| Remember Everything

09-03-2005, 10:10 AM	# 10 (permalink) Top
Addis The King Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 19 Male Posts: 5,260 Times Helpful: 404 My Mood: Drunk Status: Offline My Computer	Off Topic: I'd hate to live in China. They have so tight web censoring. just a shame theres not enough developers (aswell as hackers) for open source. __________________ Never trust a program you don't have the source code for. My website \| Powerful Desktop Linux \| Linux for human beings \| Linux for power users \| Linux for ricers

09-03-2005, 09:58 PM	# 11 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 29 Male Posts: 9,721 Times Helpful: 594 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	If they're trying to point out that Linux has problems, I say duh. There is no perfect OS, and if you believe that a certain OS is the only faultless OS, it's just blind fanboyism. I use Windows at the moment because it's really what I've worked with and learned much of. I sorta know some stuff about Linux, but not to the point where I'm able to flip over. Much of what I see of the problem with Linux isn't so much the OS as the vendor support of good drivers. Not all companies are this way, but when it comes to ATi, they've got a ways to go...unless the new driver update fixes the major issues with performance. Yes, it's much harder to go to a new OS when you've been working with another OS for so long. That doesn't mean it's a bad OS at all. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team

08-03-2005, 11:39 PM	# 2 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 20 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer

08-03-2005, 11:51 PM	# 4 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 20 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	True. I'm taking an intro to computer science class next year, working almost exclusively with RedHat. Wonder if Linux will take over MS.

09-03-2005, 12:53 AM	# 6 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 20 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	exactly!

09-03-2005, 01:30 AM	# 7 (permalink) Top
Fred Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 24 Male Posts: 700 Times Helpful: 43 Status: Offline My Computer	One thing that bothers me is that most of the companies that don't like Linux have a lot of money and can pay people to find faults if they want to. Heck, for all I know, most of them might. Funny thing is, it doesn't take paying people to find security flaws with Windows.

10-03-2005, 04:05 AM	# 13 (permalink) Top
ProcalX all grown up Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 23 Male Posts: 1,537 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	hehe Gentoo64 __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

10-03-2005, 04:43 AM	# 14 (permalink) Top
Nic Sleepy Head Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 20 Female Posts: 2,470 Times Helpful: 21 My Mood: Sleepy Status: Offline My Computer	I dont like the fact that you have to mount drives to use them that kinda confuzes me but im sure ill get used to I currently have linux on my laptop that I don't use so that I can get used to it. __________________

10-03-2005, 07:43 AM	# 15 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 29 Male Posts: 9,721 Times Helpful: 594 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	Some distro's will automount for you. Same with automatic NTFS support. SuSe 9.1 Pro doesn't appear to have it natively. I just need to do some command switches...which is one thing that people don't care to do. There's also the words "recompling the kernel" that can freak n00bs out. Linux is getting more user friendly, but much of what I see is with the installation part (not saying it's bad) first, then the actual useability. Linux being very customizeable is also it's weakness for getting new users and/or Windows defectors. It's the sheer variety that's a blessing and a curse. Linux distro's are light years ahead of where they were 4-5 years ago and people are getting into technology more, which is helping it. There's also specifically targeted distro's like Knoppix and Smoothwall Linux that have specific applications they're designed for. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Trying Linux	shade46	Linux and Other OSes	6	11-02-2005 05:03 PM
Getting to know Linux	Mack	Linux and Other OSes	4	15-09-2004 02:29 PM
Games on Linux....is it possible?	ninja fetus	Linux and Other OSes	8	28-06-2004 04:57 PM
MS Linux	harrack52	Linux and Other OSes	1	22-07-2003 09:18 AM
what linux 2 try ??	xen_chris	Linux and Other OSes	4	07-04-2003 02:30 PM

Whats this? Sponsored Listing