The Death Penalty.. Yes or No?

ProcalX · 04-01-2006, 06:13 PM

Now it's always one of the biggest of debates, at the moment in the UK there is only one act of crime that "can" result in the death penalty and that's high treason.

Of course when it comes down to it, it would never actually come to the death penalty, unless perhaps it was a member of the RF.

I believe the one thing that the death penalty should be 100% definate is if someone is tried and successfully convicted of being a pedophile.

I think this is the altimate crime, and believe the death penalty is the only 1 answer to it.

ProcalX · 04-01-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ProcalX

Now it's always one of the biggest of debates, at the moment in the UK there is only one act of crime that "can" result in the death penalty and that's high treason.

Of course when it comes down to it, it would never actually come to the death penalty, unless perhaps it was a member of the RF.

I believe the one thing that the death penalty should be 100% definate is if someone is tried and successfully convicted of being a pedophile.

I think this is the altimate crime, and believe the death penalty is the only 1 answer to it.

Or perhaps not an answer, but a tederant. I don't think that there is anyway or answer to solving and stopping this crime, but perhaps i think the death penalty should be served in this case as a deterant for those thinking likewise.

Matt555 · 04-01-2006, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProcalX

I believe the one thing that the death penalty should be 100% definate is if someone is tried and successfully convicted of being a pedophile.

I think this is the altimate crime, and believe the death penalty is the only 1 answer to it.

I totally agree there, persionally I think you mess with kids you deserve to burn in hell.
Not many crimes would come to the death penalty (if it was ever brought back) as the government would be afraid of uproar and violence over what people think is an innocent person.

beretta9m2f · 04-01-2006, 06:46 PM

I believe in the death penalty but i do not believe in the death penalty SENTENCE and the US governments version of it. Why ??? why can't we have cruel and unusual punishment??? Why not eye for an eye in terms of the death penalty?? If ur gonna KILL the guy don't give him a lethal injection. It's not like the little girl he raped then killed was spared curelty and unusual behavior. Let him get raped in prison for 3 days, then kill the bastard. None of that "death row" crap where he is incarcerated for 10 years then finally they inject him. Unless the injection is pure liquid cheese then it's different.*

*These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This statement is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

edit** Sounds like a joke, but i would like to propose the DEAF penalty where the criminal is given surgury to remove his ability to hear and see and is forced to live the rest of his life this way. He gets to live, but like the victim he left behind, he will never be the same! Obviously this would be for extreme cases like pedophiles and blue collar crimes like enron...

Waffle · 04-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Meh, I would feel much more comfortable with the death penalty instated for any crime involving some one taking some one elses life. (Forcefully, or willingly, ie murder...a car accident is tragic, but those sort of situations should be exempt. This also brings further problems with instating the penalty).

So the arguement, how can you justify killing with killing, springs to mind.

I believe it would set an example to many, many people.

And I think that anyone should be subject to the death penalty for ending someone elses life. Even children.

You may have heard of the Jamie Bulger case? The children who commited that act deserve death. But instead, they will/are released from a prison...and you think that this will have 'fixed' them, or any offender, for that matter? No.

And those who may argue that killing for killing is morally wrong and unacceptable...picture yourself at your own child, wife, parents funeral, knowing that some one wrongfully and brutally ended their life.

I think that we would be lying if we said we would not want to seek retribution in some form or another.

I probably share a limited view on this matter...but I think the world has gone mad with the things that go by unpunished in the world today.

Nic · 04-01-2006, 08:41 PM

Yeh they should bring the death penalty back in my opinion.

Exfoliate · 04-01-2006, 09:57 PM

I don't know for a lot of people the death penalty is the easy way out, they don't have to live with their crimes or do anything to repay the massive debt in some form. Some form or life imprisionment (and I don't mean 25 years) in a crappy solitary prison and a bunch of nasty stuff thrown in seems like a better idea.

Nic · 04-01-2006, 11:02 PM

Witha ll due respect current prison are better than low end homes round here. They get three quare meal have tvs and satellite in rooms and if not certainly in a communal room. They get spends trips out. It pathetic Ive been punished harsher for staying out too late.

Impotence · 05-01-2006, 12:43 AM

Guys! (and girls) How can you be so blind? the "lethal injection" is a horrible way to die, do any of you actually know what it does?

Its two injections, one completely paralyses you.... the other attacks all of your organs, it kills you from the inside out. do you really think that is painless? and it takes a long time to kill you... that's torture, but they paralyse you first so that no one See's the pain. whats the point of that? I'm atheist, to me there is no afterlife....and if your are religious, then they will be punished in the after life, for Christians they will burn in hell forever for breaking the boldest commandment, thou shalt not kill.

And that's a good point, as 75% of the worlds population is christian (or something like that) the chances are that the executioner would be christian, and i would guess that George Bush is (I'm sating America as its the largest christian landmass) so why has he legalized the death penalty, he has made it possible and he is therefore responsible (because the executioners are acting under his law/command) so does that mean he will burn in hell? (if you ignore everything else he has ever done, and that questions rhetorical)

I work looking after disabled children (mainly mental disorders such as autism), Ive worked with them long enough to know how confusing the world must be (and quite often scary), quite a few of them panic when they don't know whats going on, they lash out.... are you saying that if one of thees kids grows up and kills someone they deserve to be killed?

If someone deliberately sets out to kill someone, then yes they should be punished, but in most situations its a panic, just like that of the kids i work with... there are much better ways than just taking a life for a life.

Make them dig the grave, arrange the flowers, LICK THE STAMPS on the envelopes informing relatives and friends of the funeral.... physiological is more effective than physical, it leaves a mark.... and they will be truly sorry for what they have done.

and no, I'm not saying that if you kill someone you can arrange the funeral and it will all be OK..... obviously it would be more than that. If you have ever cried for two days solid, you know the sort of punishment i am talking about.

Maybe I'm mad for caring so much about people that i don't even know, caring for about everyone who has never caused me harm (and many that have and still do) but this world is all ready bad enough, lets not make it any worse. We need to help thees people, not kill them.

I wont even eat meat, why do we have the right to eat something beacuse we belive we are more intelligent than it.... what would you think if aliens farmed humans?

And what happens if there wrong, you can never be 100% sure, another innocent person has been MURDERD.... and this has happned.

Flame away, but this is my opinion

ninja fetus · 05-01-2006, 02:20 AM

Impotence I'm with you on this one.

"If everything were an eye for an eye the world would be blind." Mohatmas Gandhi

Impotence · 05-01-2006, 02:36 AM

Thanks, i was kinda worried that i was gona get ripped for admitting to crying for 2 days (she was special ok! still is....)

here's another way of looking at it, County A nukes Country B and kills 900,000 people, should Country B nuke Country A and kill 900,000 more?

two wrongs will never make a right, murder is wrong . (notice the big FULL STOP)

Big B · 05-01-2006, 03:34 AM

I believe that it is a duty of governments to perform executions for murder, where murder is a deliberate act of killing someone, not accidental. I don't believe that it's wrong for a murderer to be executed, as murder and killing are different. While, yes, I'm sure that some innocent people have been convicted of murder and executed, no matter how you go about it, you're going to have these happen, and I don't feel that the small instances are enough to justify staving the execution for murderers who should be taken out and promptly shot after the sentance is handed out.

beretta9m2f · 05-01-2006, 03:37 AM

Is someone else's life (the criminal in this case) worth YOU going through the psychological torture? I mean you said psych is the worse way Impotence, well thats what he is doing to you when he takes away your beloved one. Some people are crazy and really don't care what you "psychologically" do to them and they won't cry for two days. So what happens to them? I'm not saying throw the death penalty around for every single crime that involves death. But some people deserve to die. And quite frankly i dont' care if the person who kills my mother did it in a panic...he would pay one way or another.

and here's what is used in the US death penalty, a combo of three drugs. You can read more here
http://people.howstuffworks.com/lethal-injection4.htm
The first one puts the person in a deep sleep. The second one is a muscle relaxant, which paralyzes the lungs, and the third one is potassium chloride which stops the heart. Thats like having a heart attack while in a coma, doesn't sound devastatingly painful especially with the first one anesthetic. Dunno how the lethal injection works in the UK

Impotence · 05-01-2006, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Big B

believe that it is a duty of governments to perform executions for murder, where

murder is a deliberate act of killing someone, not accidental. yeah, ok makes sence

I don't believe that it's wrong for a murderer to be executed,

as murder and killing are different. err dude, "murder is a deliberate act of killing someone, not accidental." are you trying to say all thoose people on death row died by accident?

While, yes, I'm sure that some innocent people have been convicted of murder and executed, no matter how you go about it, you're going to have these happen, and I don't feel that the small instances are enough to justify staving the execution for murderers who should be taken out and promptly shot after the sentance is handed out.

So lets get this stright, you would rather risk innocently people being muderd (legally murderd) just so some more people can be 'executed' (*cough* murder *cough*) who are going to die anyway?

The best way to think of things is, what if it was me? what if YOUR the innocent guy accused and convicted of murder (or anything which holds the death penalty)

Why is everyone allways after revenge, do you not see what it says in ninja's post? again, County A nukes Country B and kills 900,000 people, should Country B nuke Country A and kill 900,000 more? no of course not, were *phooked* (

) enuf as it is!

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Originally Posted by some fool

Some people are crazy and really don't care what you "psychologically" do to them and they won't cry for two days

If there a crazy nutter, then surely they should of had a carer with them / there not responcible for there own actions as there a crazy nutter

beretta9m2f · 05-01-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Impotence

If there a crazy nutter, then surely they should of had a carer with them / there not responcible for there own actions as there a crazy nutter

So a psychopath killer murders 12 people in a small town, ur saying he should live b/c he's not responsible for his actions? And that he should have a carer? Not all psychopaths have carers, and we're not talking ultimate revenge here, just the death penalty. Whether the death penalty is enstated or not, murders will happen. The death penalty as well as all other punishments are about "Justice" as such Justice should not have anything to do with whether the person is crazy or not. "Well he slaughtered my whole family but he was crazy, let him go he wasn't of sound mind" c'mon some people deserve the death penalty and some don't. Personally i don't like the current court system b/c yes you do lose innocent people not just to death but to jail. But regardless i agree with Big B and Metallica, Kill 'em All!

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ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	The Death Penalty.. Yes or No? Now it's always one of the biggest of debates, at the moment in the UK there is only one act of crime that "can" result in the death penalty and that's high treason. Of course when it comes down to it, it would never actually come to the death penalty, unless perhaps it was a member of the RF. I believe the one thing that the death penalty should be 100% definate is if someone is tried and successfully convicted of being a pedophile. I think this is the altimate crime, and believe the death penalty is the only 1 answer to it. __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

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beretta9m2f Karate-Chop Action Gabe Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 24 Male Posts: 320 Times Helpful: 11 My Mood: Pumped Status: Offline My Computer	I believe in the death penalty but i do not believe in the death penalty SENTENCE and the US governments version of it. Why ??? why can't we have cruel and unusual punishment??? Why not eye for an eye in terms of the death penalty?? If ur gonna KILL the guy don't give him a lethal injection. It's not like the little girl he raped then killed was spared curelty and unusual behavior. Let him get raped in prison for 3 days, then kill the bastard. None of that "death row" crap where he is incarcerated for 10 years then finally they inject him. Unless the injection is pure liquid cheese then it's different.* These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This statement is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. edit* Sounds like a joke, but i would like to propose the DEAF penalty where the criminal is given surgury to remove his ability to hear and see and is forced to live the rest of his life this way. He gets to live, but like the victim he left behind, he will never be the same! Obviously this would be for extreme cases like pedophiles and blue collar crimes like enron... Last edited by beretta9m2f; 04-01-2006 at 06:52 PM.

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Nic Sleepy Head Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 18 Female Posts: 2,470 Times Helpful: 21 My Mood: Sleepy Status: Offline My Computer	Yeh they should bring the death penalty back in my opinion. __________________

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Exfoliate Captain Dial-up Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,258 Times Helpful: 223 Status: Offline My Computer	I don't know for a lot of people the death penalty is the easy way out, they don't have to live with their crimes or do anything to repay the massive debt in some form. Some form or life imprisionment (and I don't mean 25 years) in a crappy solitary prison and a bunch of nasty stuff thrown in seems like a better idea. __________________

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Nic Sleepy Head Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 18 Female Posts: 2,470 Times Helpful: 21 My Mood: Sleepy Status: Offline My Computer	Witha ll due respect current prison are better than low end homes round here. They get three quare meal have tvs and satellite in rooms and if not certainly in a communal room. They get spends trips out. It pathetic Ive been punished harsher for staying out too late. __________________

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Waffle Alpha Geek Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 20 Male Posts: 2,270 Times Helpful: 51 My Mood: Angelic Status: Offline My Computer	Meh, I would feel much more comfortable with the death penalty instated for any crime involving some one taking some one elses life. (Forcefully, or willingly, ie murder...a car accident is tragic, but those sort of situations should be exempt. This also brings further problems with instating the penalty). So the arguement, how can you justify killing with killing, springs to mind. I believe it would set an example to many, many people. And I think that anyone should be subject to the death penalty for ending someone elses life. Even children. You may have heard of the Jamie Bulger case? The children who commited that act deserve death. But instead, they will/are released from a prison...and you think that this will have 'fixed' them, or any offender, for that matter? No. And those who may argue that killing for killing is morally wrong and unacceptable...picture yourself at your own child, wife, parents funeral, knowing that some one wrongfully and brutally ended their life. I think that we would be lying if we said we would not want to seek retribution in some form or another. I probably share a limited view on this matter...but I think the world has gone mad with the things that go by unpunished in the world today.

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Impotence May the source be with u! Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 19 Male Posts: 1,878 Times Helpful: 126 My Mood: Stressed Status: Offline My Computer	Guys! (and girls) How can you be so blind? the "lethal injection" is a horrible way to die, do any of you actually know what it does? Its two injections, one completely paralyses you.... the other attacks all of your organs, it kills you from the inside out. do you really think that is painless? and it takes a long time to kill you... that's torture, but they paralyse you first so that no one See's the pain. whats the point of that? I'm atheist, to me there is no afterlife....and if your are religious, then they will be punished in the after life, for Christians they will burn in hell forever for breaking the boldest commandment, thou shalt not kill. And that's a good point, as 75% of the worlds population is christian (or something like that) the chances are that the executioner would be christian, and i would guess that George Bush is (I'm sating America as its the largest christian landmass) so why has he legalized the death penalty, he has made it possible and he is therefore responsible (because the executioners are acting under his law/command) so does that mean he will burn in hell? (if you ignore everything else he has ever done, and that questions rhetorical) I work looking after disabled children (mainly mental disorders such as autism), Ive worked with them long enough to know how confusing the world must be (and quite often scary), quite a few of them panic when they don't know whats going on, they lash out.... are you saying that if one of thees kids grows up and kills someone they deserve to be killed? If someone deliberately sets out to kill someone, then yes they should be punished, but in most situations its a panic, just like that of the kids i work with... there are much better ways than just taking a life for a life. Make them dig the grave, arrange the flowers, LICK THE STAMPS on the envelopes informing relatives and friends of the funeral.... physiological is more effective than physical, it leaves a mark.... and they will be truly sorry for what they have done. and no, I'm not saying that if you kill someone you can arrange the funeral and it will all be OK..... obviously it would be more than that. If you have ever cried for two days solid, you know the sort of punishment i am talking about. Maybe I'm mad for caring so much about people that i don't even know, caring for about everyone who has never caused me harm (and many that have and still do) but this world is all ready bad enough, lets not make it any worse. We need to help thees people, not kill them. I wont even eat meat, why do we have the right to eat something beacuse we belive we are more intelligent than it.... what would you think if aliens farmed humans? And what happens if there wrong, you can never be 100% sure, another innocent person has been MURDERD.... and this has happned. Flame away, but this is my opinion __________________ Dear intel,Already Made My Decision Never trust a computer you can't repair yourself. Windows Vista - Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans Adware Why Linux is Better!\|Pastafairianism\|Say no to National ID\|Firefox Extensions Guide scientology has been getting alot of attention recently When the rich wage war, it is the poor who die. Where are the WMD's that our governments used to justify the war?

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ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	Impotence I'm with you on this one. "If everything were an eye for an eye the world would be blind." Mohatmas Gandhi

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Impotence May the source be with u! Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 19 Male Posts: 1,878 Times Helpful: 126 My Mood: Stressed Status: Offline My Computer	Thanks, i was kinda worried that i was gona get ripped for admitting to crying for 2 days (she was special ok! still is....) here's another way of looking at it, County A nukes Country B and kills 900,000 people, should Country B nuke Country A and kill 900,000 more? two wrongs will never make a right, murder is wrong . (notice the big FULL STOP) __________________ Dear intel,Already Made My Decision Never trust a computer you can't repair yourself. Windows Vista - Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans Adware Why Linux is Better!\|Pastafairianism\|Say no to National ID\|Firefox Extensions Guide scientology has been getting alot of attention recently When the rich wage war, it is the poor who die. Where are the WMD's that our governments used to justify the war? Last edited by Impotence; 05-01-2006 at 03:00 AM.

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Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,636 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	I believe that it is a duty of governments to perform executions for murder, where murder is a deliberate act of killing someone, not accidental. I don't believe that it's wrong for a murderer to be executed, as murder and killing are different. While, yes, I'm sure that some innocent people have been convicted of murder and executed, no matter how you go about it, you're going to have these happen, and I don't feel that the small instances are enough to justify staving the execution for murderers who should be taken out and promptly shot after the sentance is handed out. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

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beretta9m2f Karate-Chop Action Gabe Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 24 Male Posts: 320 Times Helpful: 11 My Mood: Pumped Status: Offline My Computer	Is someone else's life (the criminal in this case) worth YOU going through the psychological torture? I mean you said psych is the worse way Impotence, well thats what he is doing to you when he takes away your beloved one. Some people are crazy and really don't care what you "psychologically" do to them and they won't cry for two days. So what happens to them? I'm not saying throw the death penalty around for every single crime that involves death. But some people deserve to die. And quite frankly i dont' care if the person who kills my mother did it in a panic...he would pay one way or another. and here's what is used in the US death penalty, a combo of three drugs. You can read more here http://people.howstuffworks.com/lethal-injection4.htm The first one puts the person in a deep sleep. The second one is a muscle relaxant, which paralyzes the lungs, and the third one is potassium chloride which stops the heart. Thats like having a heart attack while in a coma, doesn't sound devastatingly painful especially with the first one anesthetic. Dunno how the lethal injection works in the UK Last edited by beretta9m2f; 05-01-2006 at 03:49 AM.

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