mo' RAM!

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 03:16 AM

I just swapped out my two 128 sticks with 256 sticks. 1gig now. At 175mhz I believe.

. More points hooray

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 08:41 AM

Yay 1GB

thats always good

However, just to tell you that Folding@home won't use your 1GB unless you've set it to do so

Also there won't be that much improvement from having 768MB to 1024MB
perhaps you could get some 600 Pointers now you've got your 2800+ - you never know

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 09:14 AM

Due to massive instabilities, I've set clocks at 166. Only screws up under massive applications and games (BSOD). Would 1gig of ram@133mhz (133 FSB also) be faster than 768mb RAM@175mhz (175 FSB)?

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 09:25 AM

1GB @ 133MHz compared to 768MB @ 175MHz

The 768MB would be "faster", as having [i]more[/] memory does not increase speeds.. just means you have [i]more[/] memory.

Ninja, i really hope your NOT using memory dividers, because unless you're overclocking your CPU by a good 400MHz you won't see a performance increase but a decrease.

And i presume that your memory is PC2100? (133MHz=DDR266) by default, or is it PC2700 (166MHz=DDR266)?

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 09:35 AM

I have a 512 stick of pc2700. 2 256mb sticks of what I think are pc2100.

EDIT-Oh, and no I'm not using memory dividers. Always at 1:1

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 10:28 AM

Folding utilises memory speed more than the "amount", the "amount" of memory doesn't really matter, however the "speed" does.

Folding @ home loves 512MB + of fast memory.

In your case once you've reached 175MHz - the reason your getting instability is because your computer's PC2100 (133MHz/DDR266) is being overclocked To Far.

Personally i would sell ALL your memory and order 1GB GeIL Value PC3200 (£60 here in the UK).

check these links out:
http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/produc...-310&ATT=&CMP=
http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/produc...-309&ATT=&CMP=

Ideally if you REALLY want good memory, you want memory that can run @ very low timings, as this considerably increases memory bandwidth and efficiency of the CPU.

For example, Fred is getting 400-800 Point WU's, because:
1. He has 1GB of memory
2. It's Dual Channel (128Bit) (single = 64Bit)
3. it runs @ 2-2-2-5 Latency

This means he can run BIG WU's at a low latency, because Folding @ Home or anything thats purely CPU intensive is immediately effected by the speed / bandwidth of your memory, hence the faster your memory / latency the better.

Having 512MB (2x256MB) of 2-2-2-5 would get you more points than having 4GB Dual Channel CAS3 memory.

Ninja, download CPU-Z 1.27 and post a screeny of your SPD / CPU

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 10:33 AM

Or even better:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...156-020&depa=1

$100 for Dual Channel 1GB and for that price its got good timings Cas2.5

so i presume it'll be 2.5-4-4-8

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 10:40 AM

I'm getting quite a large amount of money soon, definately gonna get that one you posted in the link I was lookin at it about 14 hours earlier!

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 10:47 AM

hmm curses. It is 133.

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 10:49 AM

Ninja if you want some Very good memory, get some Corsair XL/Crucial BallisitiX/Geil Ultra-X/OCZ Platinum.

And definately get PC3200, think about it, if you get some PC3200 thats rated to run 2.5-4-4-8 @ PC3200(200MHz FSB) and your only running @ 175 / 180 or something you can lower those timings even tighter, to 2.5-3-3-5 or something, i doubt anything lower would be possible as its not TCCD but still.

Also remember you'll standa better chance of overclocking if you increase your DDR Voltage to the max your motherboard can withstand (2.8V Usually) as youll get better overclocks or atleast a more stable pc.

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 10:51 AM

Its a shame you've got 512MB OCZ @ PC2700 as its good memory, your other memory is quite obviously generic as CPU-Z cant even get a reading of the manufacturer or chip.

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 10:58 AM

Yeah the OCZ has been a champ for me, very reliable, low temps. It was on sale and I didn't have overclocking on my mind at all.

The other Rams were free. Just parts unused by a friend. I snatched him up and gave him my old rams

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...156-022&depa=1
$20 more and you get pc3500 lolz

ProcalX · 13-03-2005, 01:00 PM

Why bother getting PC3500? - Your not going to overclock to 216MHz realistically are you? and if you get some reasonably good PC3200 (Kingmax are fine for this), you can easily expect to reach 220-230MHz.

However if you are going to be overclocking to 216-230MHz you'd want the PC3500 as it'll be capable of lower timings @ higher speeds.

ninja fetus · 13-03-2005, 09:41 PM

if possible I'd try OC'ing to 216-beyond. Just to see what my processor can do

ProcalX · 14-03-2005, 04:15 PM

The easiest & safest way to find your max overclock is to do this:
Lower your Multiplier from stock to say 1, 2 lower.

(example: my AMD64 3200+ has a multi of 10x - i lowered mine to 8x).

Now, keep increasing your FSB in 5MHz increments until you get abit of instability, then increase your Vcore by 0.025V. Keep increasing until you reach another unstable OC & up your Vcore by 0.025V again.. (keep repeating this until you reach what you believe to be your max OC).

Now at this stage, if you've already overclocked past your memories Stock Speed (ie if you have PC3200 overclocking would be Over 200MHz FSB) you'll need to start increasing the VDimm in 0.05V increases.

Bare in mind that your memory depending on manufacturer will have a limitation on max running Vdimm. Most can safely go upto 2.8V (almost all major branded memory can).

13-03-2005, 03:16 AM	#1 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	mo' RAM! I just swapped out my two 128 sticks with 256 sticks. 1gig now. At 175mhz I believe. . More points hooray

13-03-2005, 08:41 AM	#2 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Yay 1GB thats always good However, just to tell you that Folding@home won't use your 1GB unless you've set it to do so Also there won't be that much improvement from having 768MB to 1024MB perhaps you could get some 600 Pointers now you've got your 2800+ - you never know __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 09:25 AM	#4 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	1GB @ 133MHz compared to 768MB @ 175MHz The 768MB would be "faster", as having [i]more[/] memory does not increase speeds.. just means you have [i]more[/] memory. Ninja, i really hope your NOT using memory dividers, because unless you're overclocking your CPU by a good 400MHz you won't see a performance increase but a decrease. And i presume that your memory is PC2100? (133MHz=DDR266) by default, or is it PC2700 (166MHz=DDR266)? __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 09:35 AM	#5 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	I have a 512 stick of pc2700. 2 256mb sticks of what I think are pc2100. EDIT-Oh, and no I'm not using memory dividers. Always at 1:1 Last edited by ninja fetus; 13-03-2005 at 09:49 AM.

13-03-2005, 10:28 AM	#6 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Folding utilises memory speed more than the "amount", the "amount" of memory doesn't really matter, however the "speed" does. Folding @ home loves 512MB + of fast memory. In your case once you've reached 175MHz - the reason your getting instability is because your computer's PC2100 (133MHz/DDR266) is being overclocked To Far. Personally i would sell ALL your memory and order 1GB GeIL Value PC3200 (£60 here in the UK). check these links out: http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/produc...-310&ATT=&CMP= http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/produc...-309&ATT=&CMP= Ideally if you REALLY want good memory, you want memory that can run @ very low timings, as this considerably increases memory bandwidth and efficiency of the CPU. For example, Fred is getting 400-800 Point WU's, because: 1. He has 1GB of memory 2. It's Dual Channel (128Bit) (single = 64Bit) 3. it runs @ 2-2-2-5 Latency This means he can run BIG WU's at a low latency, because Folding @ Home or anything thats purely CPU intensive is immediately effected by the speed / bandwidth of your memory, hence the faster your memory / latency the better. Having 512MB (2x256MB) of 2-2-2-5 would get you more points than having 4GB Dual Channel CAS3 memory. Ninja, download CPU-Z 1.27 and post a screeny of your SPD / CPU __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	Due to massive instabilities, I've set clocks at 166. Only screws up under massive applications and games (BSOD). Would 1gig of ram@133mhz (133 FSB also) be faster than 768mb RAM@175mhz (175 FSB)?

13-03-2005, 10:33 AM	#7 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Or even better: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...156-020&depa=1 $100 for Dual Channel 1GB and for that price its got good timings Cas2.5 so i presume it'll be 2.5-4-4-8 __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 10:40 AM	#8 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	I'm getting quite a large amount of money soon, definately gonna get that one you posted in the link I was lookin at it about 14 hours earlier! Attached Thumbnails

13-03-2005, 10:47 AM	#9 (permalink) Top
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13-03-2005, 10:49 AM	#10 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Ninja if you want some Very good memory, get some Corsair XL/Crucial BallisitiX/Geil Ultra-X/OCZ Platinum. And definately get PC3200, think about it, if you get some PC3200 thats rated to run 2.5-4-4-8 @ PC3200(200MHz FSB) and your only running @ 175 / 180 or something you can lower those timings even tighter, to 2.5-3-3-5 or something, i doubt anything lower would be possible as its not TCCD but still. Also remember you'll standa better chance of overclocking if you increase your DDR Voltage to the max your motherboard can withstand (2.8V Usually) as youll get better overclocks or atleast a more stable pc. __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 10:51 AM	#11 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Its a shame you've got 512MB OCZ @ PC2700 as its good memory, your other memory is quite obviously generic as CPU-Z cant even get a reading of the manufacturer or chip. __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 10:58 AM	#12 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	Yeah the OCZ has been a champ for me, very reliable, low temps. It was on sale and I didn't have overclocking on my mind at all. The other Rams were free. Just parts unused by a friend. I snatched him up and gave him my old rams http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...156-022&depa=1 $20 more and you get pc3500 lolz

13-03-2005, 01:00 PM	#13 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Why bother getting PC3500? - Your not going to overclock to 216MHz realistically are you? and if you get some reasonably good PC3200 (Kingmax are fine for this), you can easily expect to reach 220-230MHz. However if you are going to be overclocking to 216-230MHz you'd want the PC3500 as it'll be capable of lower timings @ higher speeds. __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

13-03-2005, 09:41 PM	#14 (permalink) Top
ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	if possible I'd try OC'ing to 216-beyond. Just to see what my processor can do

14-03-2005, 04:15 PM	#15 (permalink) Top
ProcalX Student Bum Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 22 Male Posts: 1,536 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	The easiest & safest way to find your max overclock is to do this: Lower your Multiplier from stock to say 1, 2 lower. (example: my AMD64 3200+ has a multi of 10x - i lowered mine to 8x). Now, keep increasing your FSB in 5MHz increments until you get abit of instability, then increase your Vcore by 0.025V. Keep increasing until you reach another unstable OC & up your Vcore by 0.025V again.. (keep repeating this until you reach what you believe to be your max OC). Now at this stage, if you've already overclocked past your memories Stock Speed (ie if you have PC3200 overclocking would be Over 200MHz FSB) you'll need to start increasing the VDimm in 0.05V increases. Bare in mind that your memory depending on manufacturer will have a limitation on max running Vdimm. Most can safely go upto 2.8V (almost all major branded memory can). __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

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