need advice which course to attend

jmr2910 · 19-05-2008, 08:14 PM

Im based in the U.K amd i am basic computer literate, i wish to take a career change into networking, my brain is beginning to fry with the conflicting information i have received on the cost, time of and reputable companies i should use to take the courses. Eventually i wish to take the CCNA. According to Computeach i should take IT essentials (20 hours), CompTIA+ (250 hours +5 in centre days)), Network+ (200 hours +3 in centre days) and then CCNA (450 hours + 5 in centre days. Total cost £5950 .
From e-careers.co.uk i can do CompTIA+ (120hours), then CCNA (180hours). Total cost £595 .
Or i could go to a boot camp in Goa (India) at Koenig IT school for 1 on 1 tuition CompTIA+ 9 days (£630) Network+ 6 days (£440) and CCNA 9 days (£680) ( Koenig includes hotel and food).
If anyone can help in any way from the best companies to use or the best courses to take it would be appreciated......... Thanks

Impotence · 20-05-2008, 09:39 AM

I'm fairly sure you can do the Cisco CCNA online for free (studying for it, i would guess you have to pay for the exam!)

zeus · 20-10-2008, 08:13 PM

I have thought about doing the microsoft certificates for years but was always been put off by all these companies offering training for the MS exams. They charge too much.
I bought a MS Press book for the 70-290 exam. See how I get on! Others have passed just from using the book and lectures MS have online. I paid £15 for the book... you get Server 2003 Enterprise 180 day trial with the book too.

I spoke to a few people that work in computing... all said do a degree in computing and get some work experiance.
You can do an Open Uni degree for the price of one MS cert with computeach. Having said that you will get the OU course for free if you earn less than £30k ish.

OU is fookin' hard if you are working. Im on my 5th qualification with them now. (1 degree, 2 diplomas and 2 certs) Didnt do computing though.... physics, maths, nat sciences and astronomy.

Im all ears for peoples routes to MCSA, MCSE, MCDBA etc in the UK. How did you pass!?

Anti-Trend · 25-10-2008, 10:56 AM

I'll offer my advice as somebody who's already in the industry, though I'm on another continent, and not necessarily in the same career path as you might want (sysadmin).

I don't think anyone much cares about the Net+; at least I got mine in 2001 and so far nobody's cared. As for MCSE, it does hold some merit if you want to work in a Windows shop, e.g. "Sr. Malware Cleaner"© or "Certified Exchange Rebooter"™. Yeah, I'm a bit cynical, but I got out of Windows for a reason.

Still, not all shops use Windows, but I haven't worked in a shop yet that didn't have at least a few Cisco routers. Plus, general network knowledge carries over, whereas MS knowledge is strictly proprietary (and quickly forgotten -- take my word for it!).

In your shoes, I'd spend my limited time and resources working towards certifications of more general technology, then gradually specialize as you get a better idea which direction you want your career to go.

All the best,
-Chris (AT)

megamaced · 28-10-2008, 11:11 PM

The MCSE accreditation goes some way to prove your skills and will certainly help you get one foot through the door come interview, but then its up to you to show what you can do. Nothing beats real world experience.

I achieved MCSE by self tutoring. I simply bought the necessary Microsoft Press books and studied them. I am fortunate because my work allows study leave, so I had the time to read the books.

I personally felt that I walked away with a lot of extra know-how having completed MCSE. I am much better technically now than I was. I never subscribed to the exam cram culture that surrounds many IT technicians and therefore I actually remember most of the stuff I learned! The idea of sitting a two week course to complete the 70-290 exam for example, is ludicrous. What can you possibly learn in two weeks? The problem with most IT colleges today is that they teach you how to pass the exam, and not how to resolve issues in the real world. I'd personally recommend to anyone that they do away with tutor lead lessons and their ridiculously high charges, and simply buy the books and study in your own time.

19-05-2008, 08:14 PM	#1 (permalink) Top
jmr2910 Geek Trainee Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1 Status: Offline	need advice which course to attend Im based in the U.K amd i am basic computer literate, i wish to take a career change into networking, my brain is beginning to fry with the conflicting information i have received on the cost, time of and reputable companies i should use to take the courses. Eventually i wish to take the CCNA. According to Computeach i should take IT essentials (20 hours), CompTIA+ (250 hours +5 in centre days)), Network+ (200 hours +3 in centre days) and then CCNA (450 hours + 5 in centre days. Total cost £5950 . From e-careers.co.uk i can do CompTIA+ (120hours), then CCNA (180hours). Total cost £595 . Or i could go to a boot camp in Goa (India) at Koenig IT school for 1 on 1 tuition CompTIA+ 9 days (£630) Network+ 6 days (£440) and CCNA 9 days (£680) ( Koenig includes hotel and food). If anyone can help in any way from the best companies to use or the best courses to take it would be appreciated......... Thanks

20-05-2008, 09:39 AM	#2 (permalink) Top
Impotence May the source be with u! Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 19 Male Posts: 1,878 Times Helpful: 126 My Mood: Stressed Status: Offline My Computer	I'm fairly sure you can do the Cisco CCNA online for free (studying for it, i would guess you have to pay for the exam!) __________________ Dear intel,Already Made My Decision Never trust a computer you can't repair yourself. Windows Vista - Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans Adware Why Linux is Better!\|Pastafairianism\|Say no to National ID\|Firefox Extensions Guide scientology has been getting alot of attention recently When the rich wage war, it is the poor who die. Where are the WMD's that our governments used to justify the war?

25-10-2008, 10:56 AM	#4 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 4,880 Times Helpful: 536 Status: Offline My Computer	I'll offer my advice as somebody who's already in the industry, though I'm on another continent, and not necessarily in the same career path as you might want (sysadmin). I don't think anyone much cares about the Net+; at least I got mine in 2001 and so far nobody's cared. As for MCSE, it does hold some merit if you want to work in a Windows shop, e.g. "Sr. Malware Cleaner"© or "Certified Exchange Rebooter"™. Yeah, I'm a bit cynical, but I got out of Windows for a reason. Still, not all shops use Windows, but I haven't worked in a shop yet that didn't have at least a few Cisco routers. Plus, general network knowledge carries over, whereas MS knowledge is strictly proprietary (and quickly forgotten -- take my word for it!). In your shoes, I'd spend my limited time and resources working towards certifications of more general technology, then gradually specialize as you get a better idea which direction you want your career to go. All the best, -Chris (AT) __________________ See My Desktop \| Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support Hardware Forums \| Easily rip DVDs in Linux \| Remember Everything

28-10-2008, 11:11 PM	#5 (permalink) Top
megamaced Geek Geek Geek! Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 24 Male Posts: 3,467 Times Helpful: 352 My Mood: Fine Status: Offline My Computer	The MCSE accreditation goes some way to prove your skills and will certainly help you get one foot through the door come interview, but then its up to you to show what you can do. Nothing beats real world experience. I achieved MCSE by self tutoring. I simply bought the necessary Microsoft Press books and studied them. I am fortunate because my work allows study leave, so I had the time to read the books. I personally felt that I walked away with a lot of extra know-how having completed MCSE. I am much better technically now than I was. I never subscribed to the exam cram culture that surrounds many IT technicians and therefore I actually remember most of the stuff I learned! The idea of sitting a two week course to complete the 70-290 exam for example, is ludicrous. What can you possibly learn in two weeks? The problem with most IT colleges today is that they teach you how to pass the exam, and not how to resolve issues in the real world. I'd personally recommend to anyone that they do away with tutor lead lessons and their ridiculously high charges, and simply buy the books and study in your own time. __________________ "A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows". ~Linus Torvalds

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zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,643 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	I have thought about doing the microsoft certificates for years but was always been put off by all these companies offering training for the MS exams. They charge too much. I bought a MS Press book for the 70-290 exam. See how I get on! Others have passed just from using the book and lectures MS have online. I paid £15 for the book... you get Server 2003 Enterprise 180 day trial with the book too. I spoke to a few people that work in computing... all said do a degree in computing and get some work experiance. You can do an Open Uni degree for the price of one MS cert with computeach. Having said that you will get the OU course for free if you earn less than £30k ish. OU is fookin' hard if you are working. Im on my 5th qualification with them now. (1 degree, 2 diplomas and 2 certs) Didnt do computing though.... physics, maths, nat sciences and astronomy. Im all ears for peoples routes to MCSA, MCSE, MCDBA etc in the UK. How did you pass!?

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