Planning for new gaming PC - advice needed

Wouter · 30-11-2006, 07:19 PM

I don't want it to "pound", I'd rather have clear and crisp sound. But I currently don't have a subwoofer, and my dad has, and I find my father's system sounds MUCH better with the added bass.

Compared to your listening style, I think you would find listening to my current Philips speakers at maximum volume like listening to crickets at midnight in a rural area. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willz

If you like some 'oomph' then those z2300's, 560's, z680's and z5500's will be good for you, the crackling is called distortion, my z5500 speakers go up to full, then have an extra called boost, which can damage the speakers, but they dont distort untill boost 9, the sub has to be turned down though, any of the above systems i mentioned dont look boring too, i dont know how you can cope with beige stuff, so old fasioned and ugly looking lol.

I have noticed Sony have this AMAZING Mini Hi-Fi system with a huge subwoofer lol, its 200 quid, and it pounds, even in a large store, and at low volume, it has Bass Boost, everything you could want.

Willz · 30-11-2006, 06:29 PM

lol, the logitech speakers i mentioned deliver really good crisp sound, maybe not as good as the seperate way, like bookshelfs, i dunno though, my set is preety damnd good and i love the sound quality, its certainly better than any home theatre in a box.

The system i have can be:
Crisp
Boomy (just reduce the sub level)
LOUD!!!!!
Nice
Pounding
Quiet.

Amazing for watching movies too.

Are you expecting these type of speakers to be crap quality?, if you dont want speakers with a sub, just go with seperates and get 2 nice bookshelf speakers for like £120. If you still want loud, and nice sound with plently of bass, look at the logitech speakers, check out the review of the z5500's i did.

Anyway, if you still want speakers, and are not sure what to go for, post in the sound section, going quite far off topic...

Big B · 01-12-2006, 05:31 PM

I've always found Creative to have decent speakers. Of course I've only used their 4.1 sets, but what I have have been excellent for me.

Willz · 01-12-2006, 05:35 PM

Gigaworks seem to be ok, but at the same price range there is the z5400, which is better, and there best set which is the S750 i think, which is very expensive and 7.1, 8" sub, but it seems to have some serious issues with the Amp.

Jackal · 19-03-2007, 03:50 PM

So wait... Have you already ordered the parts? Cus I wanted to suggest some stuff... ;_;

EDIT: This is what I had in mind.

ASUS P5N-E SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2-800
Leadtek WinFast PX8800 GTX
Maxtor MaXLine Pro 500 SATA 3.0Gb/s 500GB
OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU
SONY 16X DVD±R DVD Burner
LIAN LI PC-60BPLUSII W Black (Absolutely sexy)
SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms Widescreen LCD
Logitech G5 ;D
Logitech Media Black PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard

$2,095.91 USD or €1.574,92 Euro.

Really really good for the price.

Wouter · 20-03-2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

So wait... Have you already ordered the parts? Cus I wanted to suggest some stuff... ;_;

Nope... I'm still on the fence! :-x

That's some nice system you got configured there!

Wouter · 21-03-2007, 12:59 PM

For those who want to know *why*, it's mostly because there's still stuff coming out that even brings everything but the most modern computers to their knees... C&C anyone?

If I buy a new-new computer, I expect it to play the newest games that come out, perfectly, for at least two years. Current releases bringing a dual core 6400 with 8800GTS system and 2GB RAM to their knees (someone I know bought C&C for his PC) ... it's things like that which are putting me off!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wouter

Nope... I'm still on the fence! :-x

That's some nice system you got configured there!

Jackal · 21-03-2007, 04:17 PM

It's always going to be like that, though. New things will come out that take advantage of the best out there. Like back when the 6800 GTX came out and it was considered a beast... Doom 3 gave it a run for its money, but that didn't make it any less of a powerful GPU.

Plus, the games that are out now that "bring high-end hardware to their knees" do so for a good reason -- they provide new expiriences and showcase major advancements taking advantage of that powerful hardware. Once you see for yourself what these games can bring to the table... It'll all be worth it.

For example... I recently bought Supreme Commander and I play it on max settings @ 1280x1024 with hardly any sort of slowdown whatsoever. But once get have 800+ units, (and that's only MY OWN army), on a 81x81km map with seven other AI players... You'll start to see some slowdown. But those are some massive, and I mean massive calculations going on. Totally impossible on lesser hardware. To me, that's totally worth it.

Then there's Crysis coming around the corner. From what I'm hearing, my 7900 GT might even be able to push it @ high.

A single 8800 GTX can handle something like Crysis, unoptimized, @ 1900x1600, on max settings, really smoothly.

If you're really worried about anything though... Wait until the R600. I know your a bit NVidia-oriented, but it'll be the most powerful GPU out at that point (by far). NVidia will release budget cards, (8600's), and a slightly better version of the 8800 during that time, so it'll just keep getting better. Just take that setup I listed, and instead of a 8800 GTX

Almost any time is a good time to get a new system, really.

Willz · 21-03-2007, 04:22 PM

Your 7900GS wont run crysis at high :p, have you seen the screenshots??? Even my rig will be pushing it trying to run it on high and I have an 8800GTS, my CPU will be letitng me down, and your CPU will to, even your CPU would be bottlenecking a card like an 8800series.
Whats a 6800GTX? do you mean GT? I dont think Doom3 gave that a run for its money, I had an X800XTPE, slightly more powerfull than a 6800Ultra, and I could max doom 3 out no problem, the graphics aint that good on Doom3 compared to modern games :p

Its unknown weather the R600 will be the best GPU by far, at this point we dont know and it may not be that much faster than the 8800GTX, allthough if it aint faster, AMD really need to get there act together.

Jackal · 21-03-2007, 04:28 PM

7900 GT. Not GS. And yes I've seen screenshots, it looks quite good, but it can be done on current hardware.

I follow the game quite closely. Jack Mamais, (Lead Designer of Crysis), many months ago, (Before CES, even), was asked in a Q&A what hardware he's personally running the game on and on what settings. He has a an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ and a X1900XT/XTX, (never specified exactly which), and he said that he can run it on "most settings", which he later clarified as "high".

The Crytek team has also been saying that by the time they're done with the game... It'll be able to run on 3 year old machines, (6600+).

And yeah, I meant 6800 GT, lolz.

But if you been keeping up with the news surrounding the R600... You'd know that it definately poses the specs to beat out the 8800 GTX. 512-bit memory bus? GDDR4? It's only expected that the next DX10 card would be more powerful than what's currently out.

I wouldn't worry too much about your 8800 GTS, either. It's quite the powerful card and it'll really shine when running a DX10 game like Crysis. You get a lot more performance with DX10 because it renders things if far less many passes than DX9.

Willz · 21-03-2007, 05:51 PM

The R600 has been benchmarked apparently, on another forum, and according to the benchmarks, it only got 200more points than the 8800GTX in benchmarks, so at this moment, it aint looking good for ATi.

Also, how on earth can he be running it on an X1900XT/XTX, there DX9, Crysis will be DX10 Only, and there is options that will bring an 8800GTX to its knees, if he is running on a DX9 graphics card, it means it can come out for DX9 and it should.

Jackal · 21-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willz

The R600 has been benchmarked apparently, on another forum, and according to the benchmarks, it only got 200more points than the 8800GTX in benchmarks, so at this moment, it aint looking good for ATi.

Also, how on earth can he be running it on an X1900XT/XTX, there DX9, Crysis will be DX10 Only, and there is options that will bring an 8800GTX to its knees, if he is running on a DX9 graphics card, it means it can come out for DX9 and it should.

I don't know what you've been reading, but it's never been said to run only in DX10. In fact, everything you've seen up until the debut of the GeForce 8 series has BEEN in DX9. Edit: What I had before was a bit too assholish, so I'll change it. I'll simply say instead that you've been misinformed, and should probably catch up with newer information.

Crysis-Online Is a good place to start.

Wouter · 21-03-2007, 08:12 PM

Apparently, I got it wrong, it's Supreme Commander he was complaining about and he has 1GB, not 2GB.

Supposedly it runs better with 2GB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wouter

For those who want to know *why*, it's mostly because there's still stuff coming out that even brings everything but the most modern computers to their knees... C&C anyone?

If I buy a new-new computer, I expect it to play the newest games that come out, perfectly, for at least two years. Current releases bringing a dual core 6400 with 8800GTS system and 2GB RAM to their knees (someone I know bought C&C for his PC) ... it's things like that which are putting me off!

Willz · 21-03-2007, 08:23 PM

If someone is lagging in game, and people say they need more memory, if they only got 1GB, why??? why if the current memory usage is only like 79% all with 21% free...

Yea Jackal sorry, I dont know why I was thinking crysis was DX10 only, I am getting mixed up with lots of stuff.

PierreHugo · 17-04-2007, 07:21 PM

I wander what the best PC specks are without parralel computing

30-11-2006, 06:29 PM	#32 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	lol, the logitech speakers i mentioned deliver really good crisp sound, maybe not as good as the seperate way, like bookshelfs, i dunno though, my set is preety damnd good and i love the sound quality, its certainly better than any home theatre in a box. The system i have can be: Crisp Boomy (just reduce the sub level) LOUD!!!!! Nice Pounding Quiet. Amazing for watching movies too. Are you expecting these type of speakers to be crap quality?, if you dont want speakers with a sub, just go with seperates and get 2 nice bookshelf speakers for like £120. If you still want loud, and nice sound with plently of bass, look at the logitech speakers, check out the review of the z5500's i did. Anyway, if you still want speakers, and are not sure what to go for, post in the sound section, going quite far off topic... __________________ Last edited by Willz; 30-11-2006 at 06:32 PM.

01-12-2006, 05:31 PM	#33 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,636 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	I've always found Creative to have decent speakers. Of course I've only used their 4.1 sets, but what I have have been excellent for me. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

01-12-2006, 05:35 PM	#34 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	Gigaworks seem to be ok, but at the same price range there is the z5400, which is better, and there best set which is the S750 i think, which is very expensive and 7.1, 8" sub, but it seems to have some serious issues with the Amp. __________________ Last edited by Willz; 01-12-2006 at 06:04 PM.

19-03-2007, 03:50 PM	#35 (permalink) Top
Jackal Geek Join Date: Jun 2006 Gender: Posts: 74 Times Helpful: 6 My Mood: Relaxed Status: Offline My Computer	So wait... Have you already ordered the parts? Cus I wanted to suggest some stuff... ;_; EDIT: This is what I had in mind. ASUS P5N-E SLI Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB DDR2-800 Leadtek WinFast PX8800 GTX Maxtor MaXLine Pro 500 SATA 3.0Gb/s 500GB OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU SONY 16X DVD±R DVD Burner LIAN LI PC-60BPLUSII W Black (Absolutely sexy) SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms Widescreen LCD Logitech G5 ;D Logitech Media Black PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard $2,095.91 USD or €1.574,92 Euro. Really really good for the price. Last edited by Jackal; 19-03-2007 at 04:50 PM.

21-03-2007, 04:22 PM	#39 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	Your 7900GS wont run crysis at high :p, have you seen the screenshots??? Even my rig will be pushing it trying to run it on high and I have an 8800GTS, my CPU will be letitng me down, and your CPU will to, even your CPU would be bottlenecking a card like an 8800series. Whats a 6800GTX? do you mean GT? I dont think Doom3 gave that a run for its money, I had an X800XTPE, slightly more powerfull than a 6800Ultra, and I could max doom 3 out no problem, the graphics aint that good on Doom3 compared to modern games :p Its unknown weather the R600 will be the best GPU by far, at this point we dont know and it may not be that much faster than the 8800GTX, allthough if it aint faster, AMD really need to get there act together. __________________

21-03-2007, 04:17 PM	#38 (permalink) Top
Jackal Geek Join Date: Jun 2006 Gender: Posts: 74 Times Helpful: 6 My Mood: Relaxed Status: Offline My Computer	It's always going to be like that, though. New things will come out that take advantage of the best out there. Like back when the 6800 GTX came out and it was considered a beast... Doom 3 gave it a run for its money, but that didn't make it any less of a powerful GPU. Plus, the games that are out now that "bring high-end hardware to their knees" do so for a good reason -- they provide new expiriences and showcase major advancements taking advantage of that powerful hardware. Once you see for yourself what these games can bring to the table... It'll all be worth it. For example... I recently bought Supreme Commander and I play it on max settings @ 1280x1024 with hardly any sort of slowdown whatsoever. But once get have 800+ units, (and that's only MY OWN army), on a 81x81km map with seven other AI players... You'll start to see some slowdown. But those are some massive, and I mean massive calculations going on. Totally impossible on lesser hardware. To me, that's totally worth it. Then there's Crysis coming around the corner. From what I'm hearing, my 7900 GT might even be able to push it @ high. A single 8800 GTX can handle something like Crysis, unoptimized, @ 1900x1600, on max settings, really smoothly. If you're really worried about anything though... Wait until the R600. I know your a bit NVidia-oriented, but it'll be the most powerful GPU out at that point (by far). NVidia will release budget cards, (8600's), and a slightly better version of the 8800 during that time, so it'll just keep getting better. Just take that setup I listed, and instead of a 8800 GTX Almost any time is a good time to get a new system, really.

21-03-2007, 04:28 PM	#40 (permalink) Top
Jackal Geek Join Date: Jun 2006 Gender: Posts: 74 Times Helpful: 6 My Mood: Relaxed Status: Offline My Computer	7900 GT. Not GS. And yes I've seen screenshots, it looks quite good, but it can be done on current hardware. I follow the game quite closely. Jack Mamais, (Lead Designer of Crysis), many months ago, (Before CES, even), was asked in a Q&A what hardware he's personally running the game on and on what settings. He has a an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ and a X1900XT/XTX, (never specified exactly which), and he said that he can run it on "most settings", which he later clarified as "high". The Crytek team has also been saying that by the time they're done with the game... It'll be able to run on 3 year old machines, (6600+). And yeah, I meant 6800 GT, lolz. But if you been keeping up with the news surrounding the R600... You'd know that it definately poses the specs to beat out the 8800 GTX. 512-bit memory bus? GDDR4? It's only expected that the next DX10 card would be more powerful than what's currently out. I wouldn't worry too much about your 8800 GTS, either. It's quite the powerful card and it'll really shine when running a DX10 game like Crysis. You get a lot more performance with DX10 because it renders things if far less many passes than DX9. Last edited by Jackal; 21-03-2007 at 04:34 PM.

21-03-2007, 05:51 PM	#41 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	The R600 has been benchmarked apparently, on another forum, and according to the benchmarks, it only got 200more points than the 8800GTX in benchmarks, so at this moment, it aint looking good for ATi. Also, how on earth can he be running it on an X1900XT/XTX, there DX9, Crysis will be DX10 Only, and there is options that will bring an 8800GTX to its knees, if he is running on a DX9 graphics card, it means it can come out for DX9 and it should. __________________

21-03-2007, 08:23 PM	#44 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	If someone is lagging in game, and people say they need more memory, if they only got 1GB, why??? why if the current memory usage is only like 79% all with 21% free... Yea Jackal sorry, I dont know why I was thinking crysis was DX10 only, I am getting mixed up with lots of stuff. __________________ Last edited by Willz; 22-03-2007 at 07:07 AM.

17-04-2007, 07:21 PM	#45 (permalink) Top
PierreHugo Geek Trainee Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22 Status: Offline	I wander what the best PC specks are without parralel computing

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