Poor 3d mark 05 score?!

gex18 · 14-11-2005, 07:34 PM

I have just put my new system through the 3d mark 05, and am gutted at the result - it was a measly 6632 on standard settings (from a cover dvd, so could not adjust settings)! How can i set about improving this. My system is as follows;

AMD 4400x2 (dual core)
Gigabyte K8N Pro SLi nForce4 SLi (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard
GeIL value 1 GB RAM
BFG Geforce 7800 GT OC
Samsung Spinpoint 200GB SATA II NCQ hard drive
NEC 4550 dual layer dvd writer
Antec P180 case
4 x 120 mm fans
Antec true power 420 watt psu

Big B · 14-11-2005, 06:43 PM

Update your chipset drivers and video card drivers, especiallyif you used what came on the driver CD's for those products.

gex18 · 14-11-2005, 10:21 PM

Also i have just done a pc mark 05 score and it was 1894, this seems low to me also, particulary as it shows it in comparison to other processors, in particular the identical one to mine and it showed quicker speeds than mine was actually producing, also what temp should be the max for the power/aux? As pc wizard 2005 is showing 70 F and an rpm of 850?!

Willz · 14-11-2005, 10:54 PM

maximum for your cpu is 65 degrees i belive.

have you installed all motherboard drivers?
pci express drivers...
have you got the extra power connector plugged into the 7800GT?

Big B · 15-11-2005, 02:19 AM

That 65 is in Celsius, not Farenheit. 70*F isn't exactly too hot in comparison. The power/aux is supposed to be for measuring the power supply fan speed and external temps, but don't rely on the temperature too much as this is calibrated by BIOS engineers. As a result, you can can get various readings due to what offset is given in the particular BIOS release. Without a professional heat sensor, I wouldn't get that worked up over things if it's stable. If it isn't, then you might want to look at the problem.

gex18 · 15-11-2005, 08:55 AM

I have been on the nvidia website and can only find drivers for the 7800 gtx, do i download these instead? Also do i download drivers for the chipset from the gigabyte website (the make of the motherboard), or direct from nvidia's website?!

pelvis_3 · 15-11-2005, 09:10 AM

You were probably mistaking the GeForce 7800 Go GTX for the regular GTX. nVidia's GeForce drivers are universal and cover ALL GeForce cards!
You can get them Here
And yes, get the motherboard drivers from GigaByte

gex18 · 15-11-2005, 05:03 PM

Will download all the latest drivers tomorrow when i get broadband (still on dial up at the moment

).

Also on the subject of overclocking, i am presented these options in the BIOS to tweak;

CPU Frequency - Now 210 mhz but was 200 mhz
Pcie clock - 100 mhz (tried to increase this to 105 mhz but computer kept crashing)
K8 cpu clock ratio - default
Cpu voltage - Normal
Chipset core pcie voltage - normal
Ht link - normal
DDR - normal

CPU - Z is showing the core speed (in each core) at 2316 mhz (2211 originaly)
FSB 210.6 mhz
Multiplier - x 11.0

Which of the bios options do you reccomend i start tweaking to get me started? Also if i do start major overclocking do i have to increase the air cooling in my case (ANTEC P180), it has the three original 120 mm fans
and an additional front mounted asaka 120 mm fan, but are there any others that are more effective coolers (not bothered about noise) and can you reccomend a good 3rd party cpu fan/heatsink?!

Addis · 15-11-2005, 05:33 PM

Well for really good overclocking, then you'd look into water cooled systems, as adding more fans will only do so much. Don't mess with your PCI-E bus settings, if you're going to overclock stick to FSB/voltage increases. As always be careful and do some research on overclocking your particular CPU without damaging it, ie not increasing core voltage too much.

A 200-210MHz increase in FSB isn't a bad oc, with over 100MHz gained in core clock. Apart from that, you might want to try tightening your RAM timings.

gex18 · 16-11-2005, 08:29 AM

The ram i have is 2 x 512 mb GeIL value RAM, could i tighten the timings on this?!

pelvis_3 · 16-11-2005, 09:57 AM

If the RAM will allow, yes

I recommend timings of either 2.5-3-3-6 or 2.5-4-4-7 for the best results. These have not failed me in the past!

StimpE · 17-11-2005, 04:00 AM

How do you change the timings of your RAM?

gex18 · 17-11-2005, 12:12 PM

I have just updated drivers and re-tested the computer. Results are as follows;

3d mark 01 - 26, 294
3d mark 03 - 15,044
3d mark 05 - 6941
Aquamark 03 - 82,172

Exfoliate · 17-11-2005, 12:19 PM

This gives you a good overview, just be careful and don't up the voltage much at all. And though I've said it several times on this forum I'll say it again. Don't get worked up over low benchmarks, I realize it's annoying when you get scores lower than even lesser systems but you have to take 3D and PCmark with a grain of salt. It's often pretty fickle and gives a people a whole slew of results depending on their configuration. Some people may be lowered the resolution, or changed some graphical effects or omitted certain tests etc. And everyones rig is a little different, just because so and so got this score doesn't mean you will or anyone for that matter. I got a terrible score in 3Dmark 03, what most people get in 05 but I just let it go, as I've said games are the only true benchmarks

Big B · 17-11-2005, 01:41 PM

FutureMark's benchmarks have limited usefulness, and part of the reason we have eliminated FM's benchmarks from our testing (besides one of the company's exec's being a dick when the product was criticized) is that there aren't games based off the 3DMark engine. The sole exception might be the Max Payne engine, but part of the 3DMark '01 incorporated that engine.

I'd worry more about low scores in Doom 3, F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, and FarCry than what any 3DWangMark gives you.

The sole thing 3DMark is nice for is beating games to market with the latest version of DirectX implementation, but that's about it.

14-11-2005, 07:34 PM	#1 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	Poor 3d mark 05 score?! I have just put my new system through the 3d mark 05, and am gutted at the result - it was a measly 6632 on standard settings (from a cover dvd, so could not adjust settings)! How can i set about improving this. My system is as follows; AMD 4400x2 (dual core) Gigabyte K8N Pro SLi nForce4 SLi (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard GeIL value 1 GB RAM BFG Geforce 7800 GT OC Samsung Spinpoint 200GB SATA II NCQ hard drive NEC 4550 dual layer dvd writer Antec P180 case 4 x 120 mm fans Antec true power 420 watt psu

14-11-2005, 06:43 PM	#2 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,642 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	Update your chipset drivers and video card drivers, especiallyif you used what came on the driver CD's for those products. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

14-11-2005, 10:54 PM	#4 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	maximum for your cpu is 65 degrees i belive. have you installed all motherboard drivers? pci express drivers... have you got the extra power connector plugged into the 7800GT? __________________

15-11-2005, 02:19 AM	#5 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,642 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	That 65 is in Celsius, not Farenheit. 70*F isn't exactly too hot in comparison. The power/aux is supposed to be for measuring the power supply fan speed and external temps, but don't rely on the temperature too much as this is calibrated by BIOS engineers. As a result, you can can get various readings due to what offset is given in the particular BIOS release. Without a professional heat sensor, I wouldn't get that worked up over things if it's stable. If it isn't, then you might want to look at the problem. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

15-11-2005, 09:10 AM	#7 (permalink) Top
pelvis_3 HWF Member For Life Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 22 Male Posts: 2,336 Times Helpful: 265 My Mood: Happy Status: Offline My Computer	You were probably mistaking the GeForce 7800 Go GTX for the regular GTX. nVidia's GeForce drivers are universal and cover ALL GeForce cards! You can get them Here And yes, get the motherboard drivers from GigaByte __________________ Adopt an unanswered thread. \| Who's Online \| vB Code Some people are alive only because it’s illegal to kill them! Support bacteria, it's the only culture some people have!

14-11-2005, 10:21 PM	#3 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	Also i have just done a pc mark 05 score and it was 1894, this seems low to me also, particulary as it shows it in comparison to other processors, in particular the identical one to mine and it showed quicker speeds than mine was actually producing, also what temp should be the max for the power/aux? As pc wizard 2005 is showing 70 F and an rpm of 850?!

15-11-2005, 08:55 AM	#6 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	I have been on the nvidia website and can only find drivers for the 7800 gtx, do i download these instead? Also do i download drivers for the chipset from the gigabyte website (the make of the motherboard), or direct from nvidia's website?!

15-11-2005, 05:03 PM	#8 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	Will download all the latest drivers tomorrow when i get broadband (still on dial up at the moment ). Also on the subject of overclocking, i am presented these options in the BIOS to tweak; CPU Frequency - Now 210 mhz but was 200 mhz Pcie clock - 100 mhz (tried to increase this to 105 mhz but computer kept crashing) K8 cpu clock ratio - default Cpu voltage - Normal Chipset core pcie voltage - normal Ht link - normal DDR - normal CPU - Z is showing the core speed (in each core) at 2316 mhz (2211 originaly) FSB 210.6 mhz Multiplier - x 11.0 Which of the bios options do you reccomend i start tweaking to get me started? Also if i do start major overclocking do i have to increase the air cooling in my case (ANTEC P180), it has the three original 120 mm fans and an additional front mounted asaka 120 mm fan, but are there any others that are more effective coolers (not bothered about noise) and can you reccomend a good 3rd party cpu fan/heatsink?!

15-11-2005, 05:33 PM	#9 (permalink) Top
Addis The King Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 18 Male Posts: 5,255 Times Helpful: 403 My Mood: Drunk Status: Offline My Computer	Well for really good overclocking, then you'd look into water cooled systems, as adding more fans will only do so much. Don't mess with your PCI-E bus settings, if you're going to overclock stick to FSB/voltage increases. As always be careful and do some research on overclocking your particular CPU without damaging it, ie not increasing core voltage too much. A 200-210MHz increase in FSB isn't a bad oc, with over 100MHz gained in core clock. Apart from that, you might want to try tightening your RAM timings. __________________ Never trust a program you don't have the source code for. My website \| Powerful Desktop Linux \| Linux for human beings \| Linux for power users \| Linux for ricers

16-11-2005, 08:29 AM	#10 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	The ram i have is 2 x 512 mb GeIL value RAM, could i tighten the timings on this?! Last edited by gex18; 16-11-2005 at 08:31 AM.

16-11-2005, 09:57 AM	#11 (permalink) Top
pelvis_3 HWF Member For Life Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 22 Male Posts: 2,336 Times Helpful: 265 My Mood: Happy Status: Offline My Computer	If the RAM will allow, yes I recommend timings of either 2.5-3-3-6 or 2.5-4-4-7 for the best results. These have not failed me in the past! __________________ Adopt an unanswered thread. \| Who's Online \| vB Code Some people are alive only because it’s illegal to kill them! Support bacteria, it's the only culture some people have!

17-11-2005, 04:00 AM	#12 (permalink) Top
StimpE lol, Internet! Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 683 Times Helpful: 38 Status: Offline My Computer	How do you change the timings of your RAM? __________________

17-11-2005, 12:12 PM	#13 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	I have just updated drivers and re-tested the computer. Results are as follows; 3d mark 01 - 26, 294 3d mark 03 - 15,044 3d mark 05 - 6941 Aquamark 03 - 82,172

17-11-2005, 12:19 PM	#14 (permalink) Top
Exfoliate Captain Dial-up Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,258 Times Helpful: 223 Status: Offline My Computer	This gives you a good overview, just be careful and don't up the voltage much at all. And though I've said it several times on this forum I'll say it again. Don't get worked up over low benchmarks, I realize it's annoying when you get scores lower than even lesser systems but you have to take 3D and PCmark with a grain of salt. It's often pretty fickle and gives a people a whole slew of results depending on their configuration. Some people may be lowered the resolution, or changed some graphical effects or omitted certain tests etc. And everyones rig is a little different, just because so and so got this score doesn't mean you will or anyone for that matter. I got a terrible score in 3Dmark 03, what most people get in 05 but I just let it go, as I've said games are the only true benchmarks __________________

17-11-2005, 01:41 PM	#15 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,642 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	FutureMark's benchmarks have limited usefulness, and part of the reason we have eliminated FM's benchmarks from our testing (besides one of the company's exec's being a dick when the product was criticized) is that there aren't games based off the 3DMark engine. The sole exception might be the Max Payne engine, but part of the 3DMark '01 incorporated that engine. I'd worry more about low scores in Doom 3, F.E.A.R., Half-Life 2, and FarCry than what any 3DWangMark gives you. The sole thing 3DMark is nice for is beating games to market with the latest version of DirectX implementation, but that's about it. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

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