Poor overclocking?

gex18 · 04-12-2005, 12:45 PM

Have read all the guides on this site and tried to grasp concept of overclocking. Problem is my cpu does not want to overclock much at all

These are my system specs;

AMD 4400 x 2 cpu
DFI lanparty UT nfoce 4 mobo
BFG geforce 7800 GT OC
GeIL value RAM (is this whats holding me back?!)
Samsung Spinpoint 250 gb hdd
Vapochill XE II case/cooling
Hiper 580 w modular psu

My temps are;

-38.4 C idle
-31.4 C under load (cant be temps affecting oc?)

here is the best oc so far;

and here are the bios options;

FSB BUS FREQ - 250
LDT/FSB FREQ RATIO - Auto
LDT BUS TRANSFER WIDTH - 16 16
CPU/FSB FREQ ratio - x10.5

There are a few more in this section inc voltages - should i include these?

Ram setting

DRAM FREQ RATIO - Auto
COMMAND PER CLOCK - Auto
CAS LATENCY - Auto
RAS TO CAS DELAY - Auto
MIN RAS ACTIVE TIME - Auto
ROW PRECHARGE TIME - Auto
ROW CYCLE TIME - 7 Bus clocks
ROW REFRESH CYCLE TIME - Auto
ROW TO ROW DELAY TIME - 2 Bus clocks
WRITE RECOVERY TIME - 2 Bus clocks
WRITE TO READ DELAY - 2 Bus clocks
READ TO WRITE DELAY - 3 Bus clocks

REFREASH PERIOD - 3120 cycles

Matt555 · 04-12-2005, 11:49 AM

Perhaps you could post a bigger picture as the one you have posted is stuck at that size, well it is for me at least.
Your CPU is an X2, these aren't known for their great overclocking ability, a voltage boost does give a bit more of an overclock but does increase temps, I don't see this being a problem with your cooling setup though

The vaule RAM might be holding you back somewhat, maybe look for some gdecent performance RAM, GeiL makes the One-Series which coupled with a DFI LP board means some great overclocking, at its stock speed of 400MHz it runs with timings of 1.5-2-2-5 and at 500MHz it runs at 2-2-2-5 (claimed)
G.Skill are also regarded as making great overclocking RAM.

Big B · 04-12-2005, 01:21 PM

The RAM might, and considering it's a ValueRAM (which are generally not recommended with the DFI NF4 LP series, particluarly Kingston and Corsair), I'm kinda surprised that you didn't run into stability issues. What you can do, before investing in RAM and finding out the RAM isn't holding you back, would be to run the memory at a divider.

In BIOS, go under Genie BIOS -->DRAM Configuration. The first setting, DRAM Frequency Set, is what you want. Try the 166 or 150 memory divider setting. While your RAM will run slower, the design of the Athlon 64's has the memory controller on the CPU die itself and runs at a divider to begin with (1.6 and 2GHz ram isn't available to consumers...and probably not for quite awhile), so dropping it down will barely affect anything. You can tell, but only with benchmarking, and even there, the difference is pretty minor.

However, as the above poster mentioned, the X2's aren't the greatest overclockers. Of course, we're dealing with the first generation, so you might see better dual-core overclockers in the future.

gex18 · 04-12-2005, 07:50 PM

In approx 2 weeks, will be getting some performance ram possibly 2 x 1gb ocz platinum. I ran 3d mark 01 and got 29150, this was with multiplier 10.5 and FSB 257 also with 7800 GT at 472/1140 (highest it will let me go) but tried to rum 3d 03 and 05 and it kept freezing, so nowhere near stable, will have to try to reduce mutliplier and increase FSB (tried this before but wasn't stable at all). HTT is at auto BTW, will try to reduce this to 4.0 x!

04-12-2005, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink) Top
gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	Poor overclocking? Have read all the guides on this site and tried to grasp concept of overclocking. Problem is my cpu does not want to overclock much at all These are my system specs; AMD 4400 x 2 cpu DFI lanparty UT nfoce 4 mobo BFG geforce 7800 GT OC GeIL value RAM (is this whats holding me back?!) Samsung Spinpoint 250 gb hdd Vapochill XE II case/cooling Hiper 580 w modular psu My temps are; -38.4 C idle -31.4 C under load (cant be temps affecting oc?) here is the best oc so far; and here are the bios options; FSB BUS FREQ - 250 LDT/FSB FREQ RATIO - Auto LDT BUS TRANSFER WIDTH - 16 16 CPU/FSB FREQ ratio - x10.5 There are a few more in this section inc voltages - should i include these? Ram setting DRAM FREQ RATIO - Auto COMMAND PER CLOCK - Auto CAS LATENCY - Auto RAS TO CAS DELAY - Auto MIN RAS ACTIVE TIME - Auto ROW PRECHARGE TIME - Auto ROW CYCLE TIME - 7 Bus clocks ROW REFRESH CYCLE TIME - Auto ROW TO ROW DELAY TIME - 2 Bus clocks WRITE RECOVERY TIME - 2 Bus clocks WRITE TO READ DELAY - 2 Bus clocks READ TO WRITE DELAY - 3 Bus clocks REFREASH PERIOD - 3120 cycles

04-12-2005, 11:49 AM	#2 (permalink) Top
Matt555 iMod Join Date: May 2005 Age: 21 Male Posts: 3,844 Times Helpful: 238 My Mood: Happy Status: Offline My Computer	Perhaps you could post a bigger picture as the one you have posted is stuck at that size, well it is for me at least. Your CPU is an X2, these aren't known for their great overclocking ability, a voltage boost does give a bit more of an overclock but does increase temps, I don't see this being a problem with your cooling setup though The vaule RAM might be holding you back somewhat, maybe look for some gdecent performance RAM, GeiL makes the One-Series which coupled with a DFI LP board means some great overclocking, at its stock speed of 400MHz it runs with timings of 1.5-2-2-5 and at 500MHz it runs at 2-2-2-5 (claimed) G.Skill are also regarded as making great overclocking RAM. __________________

04-12-2005, 01:21 PM	#3 (permalink) Top
Big B HWF Godfather Join Date: Dec 2001 Age: 28 Male Posts: 9,642 Times Helpful: 585 My Mood: Devilish Status: Offline My Computer	The RAM might, and considering it's a ValueRAM (which are generally not recommended with the DFI NF4 LP series, particluarly Kingston and Corsair), I'm kinda surprised that you didn't run into stability issues. What you can do, before investing in RAM and finding out the RAM isn't holding you back, would be to run the memory at a divider. In BIOS, go under Genie BIOS -->DRAM Configuration. The first setting, DRAM Frequency Set, is what you want. Try the 166 or 150 memory divider setting. While your RAM will run slower, the design of the Athlon 64's has the memory controller on the CPU die itself and runs at a divider to begin with (1.6 and 2GHz ram isn't available to consumers...and probably not for quite awhile), so dropping it down will barely affect anything. You can tell, but only with benchmarking, and even there, the difference is pretty minor. However, as the above poster mentioned, the X2's aren't the greatest overclockers. Of course, we're dealing with the first generation, so you might see better dual-core overclockers in the future. __________________ Hardware Forums\|HWF Rules\|My DVD's\|PSU FAQ\|HWF Folding Team\|2CPU

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gex18 Geek Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 53 Status: Offline My Computer	In approx 2 weeks, will be getting some performance ram possibly 2 x 1gb ocz platinum. I ran 3d mark 01 and got 29150, this was with multiplier 10.5 and FSB 257 also with 7800 GT at 472/1140 (highest it will let me go) but tried to rum 3d 03 and 05 and it kept freezing, so nowhere near stable, will have to try to reduce mutliplier and increase FSB (tried this before but wasn't stable at all). HTT is at auto BTW, will try to reduce this to 4.0 x!

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