Samsung 17" 710N-2

AXP · 18-01-2005, 03:05 AM

I am looking into getting a LCD to replace my CRT. I like to do a lot of gaming (playing FarCry right now). The Samsung 17" 710N-2 seems like a good deal for $300 at Buy.com and I have heard nothing but good things about it. Is there anything better for the price?

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...3&loc=101&sp=1

Anti-Trend · 17-01-2005, 10:58 PM

Well, to be honest if you're buying an LCD/TFT for gaming, you're really barking up the wrong tree. LCDs have a much lower refresh rate than your typical CRT monitor, which actually limits your potential FPS in games. They also have a higher dot pitch, which makes individual pixels more evident and can be distracting. Not only that, "ghosting", or image bleed-over, is very common in LCDs, so your games will likely appear blurry in fast-paced scenes. As a matter of fact, a good solid CRT (which can be had for about $200) is superior to an LCD in just about every conceivable way for gaming.

If have already made up your mind that you want an LCD, Samsung makes great stuff. They're one of the few companies promising zero blown pixes (yes, LCDs commonly blow out pixels).

ProcalX · 18-01-2005, 09:47 AM

Anti-Trend is 100% right about your situation of "Which monitor will game better" as CRT monitors are better, however I use a 19" Philips LCD, and i regularly play:
Doom 3
Far Cry
Call of Duty
Battlefield 1942
Battlefield Vietnam
HL2 / CS:S

All first person shooters, and i don't have a problem of ghosting or pixel distraction, and my FPS is the same as using a CRT.

The one thing you have to make sure of, is when buying a LCD to game on, make sure it has a refresh rate of either 16MS or 8MS, (the lower the better - MS = MilliSeconds), also make sure that your LCD your choosing is capable of atleast 70/75Hz at high resolutions (ie: above 1024x768 - ideally atleast 1280x864).

As i said, I have no problem with ghosting, brightness, contrast or pixel distraction, and you do notice the difference - but not in a negative way, I've used LCD's now for about a 1 1/2 years and I find it very hard to use CRT's now.

Nic · 18-01-2005, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProcalX

A I've used LCD's now for about a 1 1/2 years and I find it very hard to use CRT's now.

Y do u find it hard to use CRT's??? (Sorry i dont understand this comment) u mean like for space?

Addis · 18-01-2005, 03:01 PM

Probably because of the space saving or overall look-good factor. I like LCDs but sometimes they're very blurry with the crap ones.

syngod · 18-01-2005, 03:02 PM

If you go with Samsung, Sony or the new Benqs you should be fine.

AXP · 18-01-2005, 05:40 PM

It has 600:1 contrast ratio 1280X1024 and 12MS. I want to save space and take it to LAN parties. ProcalX, you mentioned 8ms or 16ms, 12ms should be good then, right?

Sniper · 18-01-2005, 06:16 PM

AXP 12ms is a good response time for the TFT! I doubt you will notice any ghosting unless you look for it really hard.

AXP · 09-02-2005, 09:36 PM

Well I finally got it today and I am happy with it so far. I noticed VERY LITTLE ghosting, if ANY, when doing something fast-paced in Battlefield Vietnam (had to stair at one place on the screen to notice anything.)

ninja fetus · 10-02-2005, 12:41 AM

cool, glad you like it

18-01-2005, 03:05 AM	# 1 (permalink) Top
AXP Geek Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77 Times Helpful: 2 Status: Offline My Computer	Samsung 17" 710N-2 I am looking into getting a LCD to replace my CRT. I like to do a lot of gaming (playing FarCry right now). The Samsung 17" 710N-2 seems like a good deal for $300 at Buy.com and I have heard nothing but good things about it. Is there anything better for the price? http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...3&loc=101&sp=1

17-01-2005, 10:58 PM	# 2 (permalink) Top
Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 28 Male Posts: 5,520 Times Helpful: 662 Status: Offline My Computer	Well, to be honest if you're buying an LCD/TFT for gaming, you're really barking up the wrong tree. LCDs have a much lower refresh rate than your typical CRT monitor, which actually limits your potential FPS in games. They also have a higher dot pitch, which makes individual pixels more evident and can be distracting. Not only that, "ghosting", or image bleed-over, is very common in LCDs, so your games will likely appear blurry in fast-paced scenes. As a matter of fact, a good solid CRT (which can be had for about $200) is superior to an LCD in just about every conceivable way for gaming. If have already made up your mind that you want an LCD, Samsung makes great stuff. They're one of the few companies promising zero blown pixes (yes, LCDs commonly blow out pixels). __________________ Try Linux \| Install Linux \| Visit My Server \| Support HWF \| HWF Kernel Repo \| Remember Everything

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ProcalX all grown up Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 23 Male Posts: 1,537 Times Helpful: 30 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	Anti-Trend is 100% right about your situation of "Which monitor will game better" as CRT monitors are better, however I use a 19" Philips LCD, and i regularly play: Doom 3 Far Cry Call of Duty Battlefield 1942 Battlefield Vietnam HL2 / CS:S All first person shooters, and i don't have a problem of ghosting or pixel distraction, and my FPS is the same as using a CRT. The one thing you have to make sure of, is when buying a LCD to game on, make sure it has a refresh rate of either 16MS or 8MS, (the lower the better - MS = MilliSeconds), also make sure that your LCD your choosing is capable of atleast 70/75Hz at high resolutions (ie: above 1024x768 - ideally atleast 1280x864). As i said, I have no problem with ghosting, brightness, contrast or pixel distraction, and you do notice the difference - but not in a negative way, I've used LCD's now for about a 1 1/2 years and I find it very hard to use CRT's now. __________________ Laptop // Toshiba Satellite A210-11P // AMD Turion 64 X2 1.8Ghz Dual Core // 4GB DDR2 // 200GB Sata HD // Dual Layer DVD-RW // ATI Radeon HD2400XT 256MB // 15.4" HD Crystal Display // Vista Premium Desktop // HP DC7700* // Pentium Dual Core 3.4Ghz // 2GB DDR2 // 2x 160GB Sata2 // 16x DVD-RW // Crucial Ballistix // ATI Radeon X1950GT 512MB // 20" Dell Screen // XP Pro SP2*

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AXP Geek Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77 Times Helpful: 2 Status: Offline My Computer	It has 600:1 contrast ratio 1280X1024 and 12MS. I want to save space and take it to LAN parties. ProcalX, you mentioned 8ms or 16ms, 12ms should be good then, right?

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Sniper Administrator Join Date: Oct 2001 Age: 26 Male Posts: 4,833 Times Helpful: 137 My Mood: Blah Status: Offline My Computer	AXP 12ms is a good response time for the TFT! I doubt you will notice any ghosting unless you look for it really hard.

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AXP Geek Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77 Times Helpful: 2 Status: Offline My Computer	Well I finally got it today and I am happy with it so far. I noticed VERY LITTLE ghosting, if ANY, when doing something fast-paced in Battlefield Vietnam (had to stair at one place on the screen to notice anything.)

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ninja fetus I'm a thugged out gangsta Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 20 Male Posts: 3,525 Times Helpful: 70 Status: Offline My Computer	cool, glad you like it

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