sata drive

ashgull80 · 08-12-2006, 05:54 PM

hi brought a western digital wd2000js sata hard drive, and a ide to sata converter,hw-629. installed both into my comp but it is not working? it is only a slave drive as allready have an 80gb master! any help please
thanks ash

donkey42 · 08-12-2006, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashgull80

hi brought a western digital wd2000js sata hard drive, and a ide to sata converter,hw-629. installed both into my comp but it is not working?

how big is the HDD ?
what OS are you using (e.g. XP-h SP2) ?

ashgull80 · 08-12-2006, 07:05 PM

xp-pro sp1 + sp2 and its a 200gb

zeus · 08-12-2006, 07:45 PM

To be honest I cant see how it can be a slave when you are only able to get 1 harddrive on the ide channel. The chances are it wont even show in BIOS.

What harddrives and rom drives have you got in your system?

donkey42 · 08-12-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeus

To be honest I cant see how it can be a slave when you are only able to get 1 harddrive on the ide channel. The chances are it wont even show in BIOS.

what have i missed, i thought an IDE channel could be connected to 2 IDE devices, but yeah, is HDD visible in BIOS

Off Topic:

i thought he just needed to initalise and format the drive

zeus · 08-12-2006, 09:05 PM

Its a sata drive and hes using a sata-ide converter....
Connect an IDE hard drive to a SATA controller - HW-629 - HH (China Manufacturer) - Peripherals - Computer & Software Products - DIYTrade

You cant get two drives on the same channel if you use this converter so there cat be a slave.
Hence "What harddrives and rom drives have you got in your system?"

donkey42 · 08-12-2006, 09:21 PM

thank you zeus, i'll keep an eye on this thread, hopefully i'll know something relevent, again thank you

ashgull80 · 09-12-2006, 12:51 PM

i have got an wd80gb normal hard drive on the primary ide slot which is running my os system and at the moment stores all my documents! my new sata drive is connected via the ide converter to the secondary ide slot! not sure bout the bios but when loading the comp it says 200gb hard drive has no 88conection, or something like that!

zeus · 09-12-2006, 01:38 PM

If your new sata drive is the only drive on the secondary then it will need to be set as the master.

Each ide channel can have two drives (harddrive or ROM drive).

So you can have....
Primary Master
Primary Slave
Secondary Master
Secondary Slave

Where is your ROM drive though. I am assuming you have one! Usually they are put on the secondary channel. Generally people tend not to run a rom drive and harddrive on the same channel.
Each ide device has a speed (ata66, ata100 etc) and the channel can only run at the speed of the slowest device. ROM drives are almost always ata33 (or is it 66?

) I personally have never seen this proved when Ive had to put a slow drive and a faster drive on the same channel.

To be honest you are kind of forced to put any rom drive you have as the Primary Slave. Ive never had any proof of harddrives running slower.

Assuming you want to leave windows on your old drive id set it up as

Primary Master...80gb drive
Primary Slave... ROM drive
Secondary Master.. 200gb drive

ashgull80 · 09-12-2006, 04:57 PM

i think for some strange reason it is set upo at the mo as
primary master - dvd drive
primary slave - 80gb hard drive
secondary master - 200gb drive (not working tho)
what do the jumpers need to be set to on the sata drive to make it a slave?
also now disconnected the 200gbn drive and computer boots up as normal but when i log inn i go to my documents and there is nothing there, to get my documentds i hasve to got to my comp - c drive - documents asnd settings - then user (ash)
why is that?

donkey42 · 09-12-2006, 05:09 PM

you'll be better to make your confiuration as zeus suggested (easier to understand)

primary master = 80Gb HDD
primary slave = DVD drive
secondary master = 200Gb HDD

then verify everything is working in the BIOS (before booting OS)

Off Topic:

if you don't know you, just need to move the jumper on the drive, to make it master or slave

zeus · 09-12-2006, 05:53 PM

From reading this.....
Answer
It seems its the same as the ide drives.... there should be markings on the plastic case saying Mas, Sla and CS.
No matter where you put it (Primary or Secondary) it has to be a master.

tbh, If I were you id buy a PCI controller card and run one harddrive on the primary, the rom drive on the secondary and then plug the sata drive into to pci card. The sata-ide adapter you have now will only run at ata133 whereas your sata drive is SATAII. It will be running at less than half its speed with the setup you have now, plus you will have an operating system booting on the same channel as a rom drive.
I honestly cant think of a more higgledy piggledy way to setup a system!

The PCI ones cost next nothing.... £12 for this one.
PCI SATA RAID CONTROLLER CARD 2 CHANNEL
Plus its got raid, if you would ever use that.

Karanislove · 10-12-2006, 10:37 PM

Quote:

i have got an wd80gb normal hard drive on the primary ide slot which is running my os system

Quote:

my new sata drive is connected via the ide converter to the secondary ide slot!

Connect both the drives through a single IDE cables, where as on primary(IDE0) connector, connect your 80GB drive and on secondary use SATA converter.......First you make both HDD's able to work properly then fiddle with DVD drive.....

Quote:

what do the jumpers need to be set to on the sata drive to make it a slave?

There is no jumper settings on SATA drives for Master-Slave.... You can only set master drive from BIOS.......So, i would suggest u to check in your BIOS as well....in case ur computer is detecting as SATA drive...

zeus · 10-12-2006, 11:17 PM

Karinislove it wont be seen as a SATA drive is BIOS, for all intent and purpose this is an IDE drive.
The pics seem like they have jumpers....
WD Caviar SE 200 GB SATA Hard Drives ( WD2000JS )
but I think they are only to limit the drive to SATA1.

Ill have a search around, maybe this drive will only work if its recognised as a sata.

Firefox is trying to tell me recognised has a z in it!! They need a proper English dictionary.

ashgull80 · 11-12-2006, 04:21 PM

thanks guys for your help but i have now set my new sata hd as the master and running the 80gb as the slave, all is working fine apart from my sound card! installed the drivers but nothing????

08-12-2006, 05:54 PM	#1 (permalink) Top
ashgull80 Geek Trainee Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20 Status: Offline	sata drive hi brought a western digital wd2000js sata hard drive, and a ide to sata converter,hw-629. installed both into my comp but it is not working? it is only a slave drive as allready have an 80gb master! any help please thanks ash

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donkey42 Paranoid Geeky Geek Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 34 Male Posts: 5,826 Times Helpful: 309 My Mood: Paranoid Status: Offline My Computer	thank you zeus, i'll keep an eye on this thread, hopefully i'll know something relevent, again thank you __________________ GRUB manual \| Google Linux \| Distrowatch \| Linux Chix \| Kubuntu \| My Mini City

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donkey42 Paranoid Geeky Geek Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 34 Male Posts: 5,826 Times Helpful: 309 My Mood: Paranoid Status: Offline My Computer	you'll be better to make your confiuration as zeus suggested (easier to understand) primary master = 80Gb HDD primary slave = DVD drive secondary master = 200Gb HDD then verify everything is working in the BIOS (before booting OS) Off Topic: if you don't know you, just need to move the jumper on the drive, to make it master or slave __________________ GRUB manual \| Google Linux \| Distrowatch \| Linux Chix \| Kubuntu \| My Mini City

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zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	Its a sata drive and hes using a sata-ide converter.... Connect an IDE hard drive to a SATA controller - HW-629 - HH (China Manufacturer) - Peripherals - Computer & Software Products - DIYTrade You cant get two drives on the same channel if you use this converter so there cat be a slave. Hence "What harddrives and rom drives have you got in your system?"

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ashgull80 Geek Trainee Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20 Status: Offline	i have got an wd80gb normal hard drive on the primary ide slot which is running my os system and at the moment stores all my documents! my new sata drive is connected via the ide converter to the secondary ide slot! not sure bout the bios but when loading the comp it says 200gb hard drive has no 88conection, or something like that!

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zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	If your new sata drive is the only drive on the secondary then it will need to be set as the master. Each ide channel can have two drives (harddrive or ROM drive). So you can have.... Primary Master Primary Slave Secondary Master Secondary Slave Where is your ROM drive though. I am assuming you have one! Usually they are put on the secondary channel. Generally people tend not to run a rom drive and harddrive on the same channel. Each ide device has a speed (ata66, ata100 etc) and the channel can only run at the speed of the slowest device. ROM drives are almost always ata33 (or is it 66? ) I personally have never seen this proved when Ive had to put a slow drive and a faster drive on the same channel. To be honest you are kind of forced to put any rom drive you have as the Primary Slave. Ive never had any proof of harddrives running slower. Assuming you want to leave windows on your old drive id set it up as Primary Master...80gb drive Primary Slave... ROM drive Secondary Master.. 200gb drive

09-12-2006, 04:57 PM	#10 (permalink) Top
ashgull80 Geek Trainee Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20 Status: Offline	i think for some strange reason it is set upo at the mo as primary master - dvd drive primary slave - 80gb hard drive secondary master - 200gb drive (not working tho) what do the jumpers need to be set to on the sata drive to make it a slave? also now disconnected the 200gbn drive and computer boots up as normal but when i log inn i go to my documents and there is nothing there, to get my documentds i hasve to got to my comp - c drive - documents asnd settings - then user (ash) why is that?

09-12-2006, 05:53 PM	#12 (permalink) Top
zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	From reading this..... Answer It seems its the same as the ide drives.... there should be markings on the plastic case saying Mas, Sla and CS. No matter where you put it (Primary or Secondary) it has to be a master. tbh, If I were you id buy a PCI controller card and run one harddrive on the primary, the rom drive on the secondary and then plug the sata drive into to pci card. The sata-ide adapter you have now will only run at ata133 whereas your sata drive is SATAII. It will be running at less than half its speed with the setup you have now, plus you will have an operating system booting on the same channel as a rom drive. I honestly cant think of a more higgledy piggledy way to setup a system! The PCI ones cost next nothing.... £12 for this one. PCI SATA RAID CONTROLLER CARD 2 CHANNEL Plus its got raid, if you would ever use that.

10-12-2006, 11:17 PM	#14 (permalink) Top
zeus out of date Join Date: May 2003 Age: 27 Male Posts: 1,654 Times Helpful: 105 My Mood: Twisted Status: Offline My Computer	Karinislove it wont be seen as a SATA drive is BIOS, for all intent and purpose this is an IDE drive. The pics seem like they have jumpers.... WD Caviar SE 200 GB SATA Hard Drives ( WD2000JS ) but I think they are only to limit the drive to SATA1. Ill have a search around, maybe this drive will only work if its recognised as a sata. Firefox is trying to tell me recognised has a z in it!! They need a proper English dictionary.

11-12-2006, 04:21 PM	#15 (permalink) Top
ashgull80 Geek Trainee Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20 Status: Offline	thanks guys for your help but i have now set my new sata hd as the master and running the 80gb as the slave, all is working fine apart from my sound card! installed the drivers but nothing????

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