I was not referring to how long it took you to post...Rather how long it would take me to cover all of the things you presented. That is simply some where that I am not willing to go...(Even though I am familiar with most of what you have posted) I don't have the time for that kind of thing. Thank you for the background you supplied for reference...But really it was not necessary. as most of what I have learned has come from people like you ...(on forums such as this)... who in some areas are more knowledgeable than I. I certainly do/did not see see you as another no-nothing wannabe. Really there is not very much that I like about windows...but I don't see it as third parties bailing them out. The third party companies are competing with Microsoft for the revenue that comes from their sponsors. That is why a European company had to take Microsoft to court (and won) to get them to reveal their code so that they would be able to write software that will work (well) on windows platforms. Ever wonder why Microsoft does not want you to get rid of the programs that are embedded into their operating systems? Ding, ding, ding. I have Ubuntu (Draper Drake) installed on this computer (Dual Boot) And although I liked it at first...I have since given up on it. One needs to have a good reason to work through the learning curve...which involves trying to make sense out of the way (most of) those who are familiar with Linux... Attempt to try and help you. I felt as though I needed a sledge hammer and a crowbar (in order to bring about an attitude adjustment) that would enable them to speak English in a format that I could understand. Not all people (want to) push their machines as hard as you do... In fact the large majority of them don't... As of this month I am officially a senior citizen...and I spend a lot of my time helping those (both young and old) who have no desire to go where you have gone. I am glad to hear that you are able to enjoy the Linux enviorment. Apparently it meets your needs, and I am happy (for you) that you are content with that.