Upgrade Help

Lilskeeter2008 · 15-07-2006, 02:28 AM

Hello my current System Specs are

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    Computer                                          LIL-50BEADC1EFD
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    Operating System                                  Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
    Date                                              2006-07-14
    Time                                              20:14


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    Computer:
      Operating System                                  Microsoft Windows XP Professional
      OS Service Pack                                   Service Pack 2
      DirectX                                           4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
      Computer Name                                     LIL-50BEADC1EFD
      User Name                                         Owner

    Motherboard:
      CPU Type                                          Intel Pentium 4, 2.8ghz OC'D 2 3366 MHz (21 x 160)
      Motherboard Name                                  Asus P4P800S-X  (4 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN)
      Motherboard Chipset                               Intel Breeds Hill i848P
      System Memory                                     1024 MB  (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
      BIOS Type                                         AMI (11/17/05)
      Communication Port                                Communications Port (COM1)
      Communication Port                                Printer Port (LPT1)

    Display:
      Video Adapter                                     NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT  (128 MB)
      3D Accelerator                                    nVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT AGP
      Monitor                                           AG Neovo F-417  [17" LCD]  (233)

    Multimedia:
      Audio Adapter                                     Creative SB0350 Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card

    Storage:
      IDE Controller                                    Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 24DB
      Floppy Drive                                      Floppy disk drive
      Disk Drive                                        WDC WD800BB-00JHA0  (74 GB, IDE)
      Optical Drive                                     LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1673S  (DVD+R9:4x, DVD+RW:16x/8x, DVD-RW:16x/6x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/24x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)
      SMART Hard Disks Status                           OK

    Partitions:
      C: (NTFS)                                         35000 MB (19417 MB free)
      D: (NTFS)                                         39989 MB (30877 MB free)
      Total Size                                        73.2 GB (49.1 GB free)

    Input:
      Keyboard                                          HID Keyboard Device
      Mouse                                             HID-compliant mouse

    Network:
      Network Adapter                                   Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC

I am looking to upgrade this PC it has been well kept and clean and well vented its ran like a champ but its getting to the point where i notice things i dislike like lockups in games actual pc lag while the system is clean and omptimized newer games are harder to run but well i only play WoW and CS:S atm but i dont buy games because the system has trouble running HL:2 at times with good rates

Some other info that wasnt included was that

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Psu : 420 Raidmax [Came with Custom Case]
1 Side Fan
2 Back Fans
and blower in PCI slot

Just did some benchmarking

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In 3DMark2001 Second Edtion i scored 	16610 3D marks

Marcus_X · 15-07-2006, 01:27 PM

Depending on your budget, I'd say you should look for a better videocard, 128 MB videomemory is a bit low these days. An 7800GS series card would be the fastest gpu available you can get for an agp motherboard.

My brother recently purchased a XFX 7800GS for a P4 3.0 GHz system and he's very excited about that card.

The XFX has a core clock of 375 though, there are other types available from different brands; Gainward has a version available with 512MB ram which runs at 420MHz for instance, but that's also the most expensive one of all I believe.

Good luck, but do some research before buying one.

Chris_ · 15-07-2006, 06:01 PM

It would be a great help if you could post your budget estimate, this we can work off and help you upgrade your system!

Lilskeeter2008 · 15-07-2006, 10:05 PM

Well last night a friend and i picked out some Apperance upgrades and Wire mang to increase the airflow and blah and a new case bc i hated my older one thats costing about 166.62 so i wouldnt wanna spend over 500 on performance

Exfoliate · 16-07-2006, 02:53 AM

The 2.8GHz P4 is an adequate chip to run any modern game. It's no screamer but I wouldn't say you need to blow several on a new motherboard (thus a new video card) just to pop in a better cpu. 1 gig of ram is still about all you'll need for all but about 3 games (see FEAR, Oblivion, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter). But another 512 wouldn't hurt as PC 3200 is dirt cheap, just for futher proofing really. The video card is all that I could really see bumping up. I too have a few hickups running HL2 and I've got a 6800. I agree with the others, the 7800GS is a great card and as good as you can do for AGP. It runs around $300 (less with a rebate). Newegg.com - Search Results for 7800GS\

Willz · 16-07-2006, 09:42 AM

wasent there a 7900gs or somthing?, also, if you could find an x850xt pe, its worth buying that, there under £140 in the uk not sure what that is in $, but its alot cheaper than a 7800gs, and in some cases can beat it in some games. You get hickups on a 6800, thats unusual, i did not even get hickups with my radeon 9600, overclocked to 486MHz core, and i was on fairly high settings, but anyway, a 7800gs or x850xt pe will both run most modern games at nearly all the highest way, i have an x800xt and play all games at highest, F.E.A.R, Prey, Oblivion etc.., i have 1gb of ram too, but as Exfoliate said, the extra 512mb would do good.

Exfoliate · 16-07-2006, 04:54 PM

Yeah good call Will, if you can find a cheaper X800XT or X850XT or better you'd be wise too look into that too. Great card for AGP. Pretty much everything out will run great on higher settings.
As far as HL2 running not so swell on my 6800 but quite good on yours when you had the 9600. Well this takes us back to the whole ATI optimization deal. It makes a big difference between ATI and nVidia cards to the point that a X300 or even an Express 200, HP's integrated ATI option of choice, can crank the settings on high and enjoy good fps. Plus I had really dated drivers for it as well. I imagine things have improved in later series.

izzy007 · 16-07-2006, 09:47 PM

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I am looking to upgrade this PC it has been well kept and clean and well vented its ran like a champ but its getting to the point where i notice things i dislike like lockups in games actual pc lag while the system is clean and omptimized newer games are harder to run but well i only play WoW and CS:S atm but i dont buy games because the system has trouble running HL:2 at times with good rates

Some other info that wasnt included was that

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Psu : 420 Raidmax [Came with Custom Case]
1 Side Fan
2 Back Fans
and blower in PCI slot

Just did some benchmarking

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In 3DMark2001 Second Edtion i scored 	16610 3D marks

yeh get a bettter graphics card, mainly, the p4 shud be able to handle most games as already stated but if u want more juice, rather than upgrading it to a 3.2 or 3.4 ghz, i wud rather get a socket 939 board for bout £50, and an athlon 3500+ or above for around £100. it wud work out cheaper becoz the p4 3.4ghz is roughly £150+ and athlon is betta for gaming really

Lilskeeter2008 · 17-07-2006, 05:25 AM

Ight was looking at mobo's

ASUS A8S-X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com

ASUS A8N5X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com

only 2 i really liked im a asus guy atleast i was with intel but shed some light on AMD its been about a few years since AMD and i was together lol

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor - Retail at Newegg.com

Willz · 17-07-2006, 08:08 AM

i would reccommend getting a AMD 64 3700+ san diego if you can, there very good overclockers, i got mine at 100% stable at 2.8ghz, using stock cooler and 1.45v, its not rare for these to get to 2.8ghz, loads of people have done it, and on watercooling of phase change, somthing like 3.2 or 3.4ghz is possible. stock for a 3700+ is 2.2ghz. i have found that my performance is about the same as an fx57 now with the overclock.

Exfoliate · 18-07-2006, 01:38 AM

The 3700 is great but the 3800+ is so cheap these days (less than $150 I believe, like $130 that it's just a crazy good deal. 200MHz fast than the 3700 too).

Lilskeeter2008 · 18-07-2006, 02:52 AM

Im acctually going to put some extra money into it and go with the

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail at Newegg.com

Lilskeeter2008 · 18-07-2006, 06:33 AM

decided rather not spend to much so just getting the 3800 but do you guys think i should keep teh ugly stock HSF or put on a custom

Willz · 18-07-2006, 09:07 AM

it all depends really, if you think the stock fan is ugly, then go ahead and buy a new one, a new one will offer better cooling, but the stock cooler is usually good enough, i am finding my stock cooler really is getting too loud, are you planning on overclocking? if so, get a new fan/heatsink, i dont know what the x2's are like so maybe they wont be good at overclocking withought a decdent fan/heatsink.

Lilskeeter2008 · 18-07-2006, 02:06 PM

Not getting the X2 jus the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor - Retail at Newegg.com

anyone recommened a cooler from experiance?

And yes i will be overclocking it

16-07-2006, 02:53 AM	#5 (permalink) Top
Exfoliate Captain Dial-up Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,258 Times Helpful: 223 Status: Offline My Computer	The 2.8GHz P4 is an adequate chip to run any modern game. It's no screamer but I wouldn't say you need to blow several on a new motherboard (thus a new video card) just to pop in a better cpu. 1 gig of ram is still about all you'll need for all but about 3 games (see FEAR, Oblivion, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter). But another 512 wouldn't hurt as PC 3200 is dirt cheap, just for futher proofing really. The video card is all that I could really see bumping up. I too have a few hickups running HL2 and I've got a 6800. I agree with the others, the 7800GS is a great card and as good as you can do for AGP. It runs around $300 (less with a rebate). Newegg.com - Search Results for 7800GS\ __________________

16-07-2006, 09:42 AM	#6 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	wasent there a 7900gs or somthing?, also, if you could find an x850xt pe, its worth buying that, there under £140 in the uk not sure what that is in $, but its alot cheaper than a 7800gs, and in some cases can beat it in some games. You get hickups on a 6800, thats unusual, i did not even get hickups with my radeon 9600, overclocked to 486MHz core, and i was on fairly high settings, but anyway, a 7800gs or x850xt pe will both run most modern games at nearly all the highest way, i have an x800xt and play all games at highest, F.E.A.R, Prey, Oblivion etc.., i have 1gb of ram too, but as Exfoliate said, the extra 512mb would do good. __________________

16-07-2006, 04:54 PM	#7 (permalink) Top
Exfoliate Captain Dial-up Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,258 Times Helpful: 223 Status: Offline My Computer	Yeah good call Will, if you can find a cheaper X800XT or X850XT or better you'd be wise too look into that too. Great card for AGP. Pretty much everything out will run great on higher settings. As far as HL2 running not so swell on my 6800 but quite good on yours when you had the 9600. Well this takes us back to the whole ATI optimization deal. It makes a big difference between ATI and nVidia cards to the point that a X300 or even an Express 200, HP's integrated ATI option of choice, can crank the settings on high and enjoy good fps. Plus I had really dated drivers for it as well. I imagine things have improved in later series. __________________

17-07-2006, 08:08 AM	#10 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	i would reccommend getting a AMD 64 3700+ san diego if you can, there very good overclockers, i got mine at 100% stable at 2.8ghz, using stock cooler and 1.45v, its not rare for these to get to 2.8ghz, loads of people have done it, and on watercooling of phase change, somthing like 3.2 or 3.4ghz is possible. stock for a 3700+ is 2.2ghz. i have found that my performance is about the same as an fx57 now with the overclock. __________________

18-07-2006, 01:38 AM	#11 (permalink) Top
Exfoliate Captain Dial-up Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,258 Times Helpful: 223 Status: Offline My Computer	The 3700 is great but the 3800+ is so cheap these days (less than $150 I believe, like $130 that it's just a crazy good deal. 200MHz fast than the 3700 too). __________________

15-07-2006, 01:27 PM	#2 (permalink) Top
Marcus_X Expert N00b Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 26 Male Posts: 238 Times Helpful: 17 My Mood: Angelic Status: Offline My Computer	Depending on your budget, I'd say you should look for a better videocard, 128 MB videomemory is a bit low these days. An 7800GS series card would be the fastest gpu available you can get for an agp motherboard. My brother recently purchased a XFX 7800GS for a P4 3.0 GHz system and he's very excited about that card. The XFX has a core clock of 375 though, there are other types available from different brands; Gainward has a version available with 512MB ram which runs at 420MHz for instance, but that's also the most expensive one of all I believe. Good luck, but do some research before buying one.

15-07-2006, 06:01 PM	#3 (permalink) Top
Chris_ Excalibur Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 17 Male Posts: 220 Times Helpful: 19 My Mood: Cheerful Status: Offline My Computer	It would be a great help if you could post your budget estimate, this we can work off and help you upgrade your system!

15-07-2006, 10:05 PM	#4 (permalink) Top
Lilskeeter2008 Geek Trainee Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Status: Offline	Well last night a friend and i picked out some Apperance upgrades and Wire mang to increase the airflow and blah and a new case bc i hated my older one thats costing about 166.62 so i wouldnt wanna spend over 500 on performance

17-07-2006, 05:25 AM	#9 (permalink) Top
Lilskeeter2008 Geek Trainee Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Status: Offline	Ight was looking at mobo's ASUS A8S-X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com ASUS A8N5X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail at Newegg.com only 2 i really liked im a asus guy atleast i was with intel but shed some light on AMD its been about a few years since AMD and i was together lol AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor - Retail at Newegg.com

18-07-2006, 02:52 AM	#12 (permalink) Top
Lilskeeter2008 Geek Trainee Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Status: Offline	Im acctually going to put some extra money into it and go with the AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail at Newegg.com

18-07-2006, 06:33 AM	#13 (permalink) Top
Lilskeeter2008 Geek Trainee Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Status: Offline	decided rather not spend to much so just getting the 3800 but do you guys think i should keep teh ugly stock HSF or put on a custom

18-07-2006, 09:07 AM	#14 (permalink) Top
Willz MiCrO$oFt $uK$ :D Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 19 Male Posts: 4,234 Times Helpful: 150 My Mood: Lurking Status: Offline My Computer	it all depends really, if you think the stock fan is ugly, then go ahead and buy a new one, a new one will offer better cooling, but the stock cooler is usually good enough, i am finding my stock cooler really is getting too loud, are you planning on overclocking? if so, get a new fan/heatsink, i dont know what the x2's are like so maybe they wont be good at overclocking withought a decdent fan/heatsink. __________________

18-07-2006, 02:06 PM	#15 (permalink) Top
Lilskeeter2008 Geek Trainee Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Status: Offline	Not getting the X2 jus the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor - Retail at Newegg.com anyone recommened a cooler from experiance? And yes i will be overclocking it

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