is AMD dieing

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Swansen, Feb 24, 2008.

  1. Swansen

    Swansen The Ninj

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    Yeah, so they are suppose to make a come back pretty quick here with their new 45nm cores, but i haven't heard anything. There isn't anything circulating around about any AMD except the stuff they are doing to try to keep their heads above water...
     
  2. donkey42

    donkey42 plank

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    it'll be sad to see them go, because, they are Intel's only competitor

    BTW: if you want a good laugh look at "My priest loves me" here
     
  3. RHochstenbach

    RHochstenbach Administrator

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    If they don't introduce a good product soon, I surely think that they won't last for long.
     
  4. Anti-Trend

    Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek

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    Funny you say that, since Dell is not only going to start carrying AMD processors, but also a new AMD triple-core version of the Phenom. Slashdot | Dell Set to Introduce AMD's Triple-core Phenom CPU

    The Phenom has been a huge flop, but AMD are hanging in there. Intel's numerous simultaneous antitrust suits are probably helping things as well.
     
  5. RHochstenbach

    RHochstenbach Administrator

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    Companies who start implementing AMD products into their systems might be the only way to keep AMD alive.

    Intel CPUs got much higher specs than AMD CPUs that are released in the same time. So they should find a strategy that should convince Intel users to switch to AMD. And in this case, they're lucky that Dell made such a decision.
     
  6. Swansen

    Swansen The Ninj

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    Yeah, i just remembered Dell made a deal with AMD, now that you had mentioned that.(pretty sure i even posted an article on the topic :doh:) Truly, i think tat deal pretty much saved AMD, they are doing horrible rate now.
     
  7. Pimp

    Pimp Captain of USS Defiant

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    AMD are just having a tough time they will bounce back, fingers crossed everyone. :doh:
     
  8. Anti-Trend

    Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek

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    Yeah, Intel needs the competition!
     
  9. Pimp

    Pimp Captain of USS Defiant

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    Just one point i would like to raise and that is if there is no competition for Intel then it will slow down it's research and development of technology so the future will be slower to advance.

    No one wants that especially us guys :x:
     
  10. RHochstenbach

    RHochstenbach Administrator

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    There might be a chance that Apple could aquire AMD. Just think of the following advantages that Apple will gain:

    - Create processors with a unique instruction set, and only availablefor their products. OS X won't be able to run on PCs, because it's not compatible with the instruction sets of Intel.
    - They won't need a manufacturer of PC products (Motorola in the past, and Intel in the present). So there is a huge difference between a PC and a Mac.
    - Graphics products can be created specifically for a Mac, to get the best graphics possible.

    There is no information about that to happen, not even rumors. But if Steve Jobs could think, he might take that step. If I was in his place, I'd surely do that if it's not too expensive.

    However, there is a problem then. ATI is owned by AMD. So if AMD is gone, or doesn't create any more products for the PC market, then that causes Intel to dominate the CPU market and NVidia to dominate the graphics market.
     
  11. Pimp

    Pimp Captain of USS Defiant

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    I like the idea RHochstenbach but if Apple buy AMD then they will take on the fixed costs of failing AMD which could be a big problem for Apple. It all depends if Apple has the capital and manegment power to back a takeover. Takeovers can be very risky and when done properly it will be a benifit for Apple with all of those reaserch labs that AMD has. But i also think that the AMD brand might still go on, it will just be owned by Apple but that depends on a number of things.
     
  12. RHochstenbach

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    That is indeed a problem. It's one of the reasons why no company wants to aquire AMD.
     
  13. Swansen

    Swansen The Ninj

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    guys, not sure if you noticed, but there are "rumors" that everyone and their brother is going to buy out AMD....
     
  14. Anti-Trend

    Anti-Trend Nonconformist Geek

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    Well, I'm not sure what the future of the market is or I'd be very rich. :) That said, Apple was only worth about what AMD is now for about 4 or 5 years solid... Just one, long, flaccid plateau. AMD's been in worse spots before, but their stock chart looks a bit like the Colorado Rocky Mountains... Huge peaks, and low valleys. We'll see how it goes.

    I though AMD's strategy buying ATI was pretty dumb personally, since ATI's always been a follower and never a leader in the graphics market. They need initiative right now, and ATI's old guard is just the kind of old blood that kills good enterprise.

    Additionally, AMD's Phenom isn't as bad as it's cracked up to be. Intel's touted Core2 and quad-core CPU's are really just a bunch of single cores glued together. This means they're pretty fast for a bunch of single threads, but they don't really do so great on truly multithreaded applications because the memory buss chokes. AMD did much better here, but the apps just aren't there yet. Reminds me of Intel's Itanium to be honest. Great processor, but it never really caught on.
     
  15. Swansen

    Swansen The Ninj

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    Yeah, i just think the ATI thing was poorly timed, however ATI has pretty much always made superior hardware, its just their software always blows, at every new card release they always have a better card, did at the end of the 7 series, do now, probably will when the new cards come out, its just they are never recognized. As far as the Phenom goes, that was a mess when it was first released, everything is pretty much sorted now, but its a little late in the game. As well, i don't think Intel really cared about a "true" anything, because their strategy worked, and it worked really well. The way they made their cores may have been just been gluing them together, but it was much cheaper and faster than AMD's solution so it won out in the end. Like you said the apps aren't there yet, so in reality, there really is no point, currently, to have a true dual/quad/ect anything.
     

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