problems with gforce 4 ti4200

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zenith

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hello
iv had some problems with my MSI g-force 4 Ti4200-TD8X64
when i play HALO, Ut 2003-2004, hitman 2, call of duty, return to castle wolfenstein, etc my pc reboots
(getting a bleu screen) cant reed it becouse it goes to fast even when i put the resolution at lowest it still crashes :(

have done a 3d mark and i get 1400 mark

tried flashing my bios

have tried all the drivers and cleaning the old ones with nasty file remover, so there are no driver conflicts
now im on the 52.14 drivers from msi

with sisoftsandra i did a benchmark on my memory and they said i had to chanche my memory timing
Warning W5400 - Low memory bandwidth efficiency (advanced test). Generally this means a setting is incorrect or set too “safe”
resulting in too low performance.
Fix: Check memory timings (reduce them) or check other chipset or memory speed settings.
what is memory timing and how i chanche it...

i have 2 fans and one cpu fan at 3500 rpm

voltage information: 350W
VCORE : 1.49 v
3.3 V at 2.86 V(to low i thinc)
+5 V at 4.95 V
+12 V at 11.70 V

my friend has the same computer and i compared with him, we switched our gfx cards and mine did well on his pc, his gfx lasted 1 h on my pc.
Then i switched my ram memory but noting changed...

i hope i could resolve this problem


here is some info from dxdiag ( have ran all the test, no problems...)

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/16/2000, 13:00:52
Machine name: ZENITH
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: Dutch (Regional Setting: Dutch)
System Manufacturer: MSI
System Model: MS-6547
BIOS: Version 07.00T
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Memory: 512MB RAM
Page File: 184MB used, 1065MB available
Windows Dir: E:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: MSI MS-StarForce GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X (NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X)
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0281&SUBSYS_89481462&REV_A1
Display Memory: 64.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug en Play-monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5214 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 9/24/2003 19:32:00, 4237696 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: n.v.t.
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 9/24/2003 19:32:00, 1548331 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-41C1-11CF-8C63-42A900C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0281
SubSys ID: 0x89481462
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_7012&SUBSYS_54701462&REV_A0
Manufacturer ID: 65535
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5420 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 12/19/2003 20:07:50, 541548 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 33, 32
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 33, 32
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5420 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 12/19/2003 20:07:50, 541548 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: E:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
Realtek AC97 Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI-mapper (emulatie), Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable-software (emulatie), Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
MPU-401 (emulatie), Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
MPU-401 (emulatie), Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run
 
Look at the temps, they might be too high.
I would also load the bios default settings to make sure that the timings of the memory are correct.

As for your score, make sure AA and AF are turned off as well as vsync
 
BSOD, you say? Your 3v power rail does look a little low, the absolute lowest it should get (during full load, which it isn't while you're in the BIOS) is 3.0v. If your PSU is generic, it may not be providing adequate power for your system during a heavy power load (like playing games). You might consider upgrading your PSU to an Enermax or Antec; they are both reliable PSUs with very solid power rails.
 
Baught an fx 5200 ==>> nothing chanched

hello again
now i baught me a gforce fx 5200 128 mb from asus...
same shit again when i play ut 2004 but now i noticed something i can spec the whole game even in the highest resolution
but when i begin to play it crashes after 3 seconds
and now my voltages have changed, really confusing.

voltage information: 350W
VCORE : 1.49 v ==> 1.49 v
3.3 V at 2.86 V(to low i thinc) ==> 3.09 v !!! :) becouse i put fx 5200 ????
+5 V at 4.95 V ==> 5 v
+12 V at 11.70 V ==> 11.70

have done a bios default, etc and did all you said, but nothing worked
could it be duo the mobo ? ore agp ? ive changed the agp aparture size to 128mb
AGP
Revision 2.0
Rate 1x, 2x, 4x (4x enabled)
Available Rate 0x00000007
Selected Rate 0x00000004
Aperture Size 128 MB
Sideband Addressing supported (enabled)
Fast Write not supported

i hope i could resolve this problem, pls help me :)

some diags from sisoftsandra

Tip T212 - The BIOS can be shadowed. Shadowing is a technique of copying the BIOS program from slow EPROM or EEPROM to RAM. This may yield some increase in performance.
Fix: Go to BIOS set-up and make sure that System BIOS is both shadowed and cached.

Warning 1206 - Device latency is high - the higher the latency, the more data a device can transfer in one go. The device may be hogging the bus for too long. Some video card drivers set the latency high in order to perform faster. The problem is that other devices (especially sound cards, network) won’t have enough time to transfer their data resulting in lower performance (e.g. sound drop outs, lockup). Generally, all devices should have latency of 32, with high performance devices (e.g. video card, disk, giga-LAN) with 64 and AGP to 128.
Fix: Go to BIOS Setup\Settings\PCI & AGP Devices and reduce PCI latency to 64 or 32. Contact the mainboard manufacturer or video card manufacturer for more details.



SiSoftware Sandra Help File


SiSoftware Sandra Help File

here is some info from dxdiag (new ones)

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/18/2000, 22:03:50
Machine name: ZENITH
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: Dutch (Regional Setting: Dutch)
System Manufacturer: MSI
System Model: MS-6547
BIOS: Version 07.00T
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Memory: 512MB RAM
Page File: 165MB used, 1084MB available
Windows Dir: E:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce FX 5200
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug en Play-monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5216 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/6/2003 13:16:00, 4246528 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: n.v.t.
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/6/2003 13:16:00, 1550043 bytes
 
Can you check your event log? If you see an error referring to nv4_disp.dll, you've got a driver issue. However, I think the other possibilities are RAM related---which could be the result of too low of timings, or bad RAM. The other possibility is the PSU just not being good enough to power the system.
 
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