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Discussion in 'New Build / Upgrade Advice' started by Vítor Costa, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. Vítor Costa

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    Hi guys,

    I want to buy a computer for video editing and 3D render for example. I read some reviews and i have in mind this following components:

    CPU - Intel CORE I7 4790 3.6GHZ 8MB SKT 1150 (274,60€)
    SSD - SAMSUNG SERIES 840 EVO ULTRASLIM 250GB 2.5'' SATA III (129,90€)
    RAM - CORSAIR PC3-12800 1600MHZ 16GB VENGEANCE PRO BLACK CL9 (2x8GB) DDR3 (162,25€) ou KINGSTON PC3-12800 1600MHZ 16GB XMP BEAST CL9 (2x8GB) DDR3 (159,90€)
    MB - ASUS Z97-A SKT 1150 (139,20€) ou ASUS Z97-PRO SKT 1150 (173,90€)
    GPU - ASUS GEFORCE GTX760 DIRECT CU II OC 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0 (228€)

    Mu budget limit its about 1350$ (1000€). I will keep my case (Antec Three Hundred) and my power supply (Corsair 550W). Btw, im from Portugal.

    Hope you can help me and suggest things.

    Thanks,

    My best regards
     
  2. Wicked Mystic

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    CPU: Swap Xeon 1231v3 http://ark.intel.com/products/80910/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1231-v3-8M-Cache-3_40-GHz and much cheaper. There are absolutely no valid reasons to buy i7-4790 because Xeon is 5% slower and 70 bucks cheaper. You also may want to consider AMD FX-8350 with 8 cores. Yeah yeah, Intel has better single core and so on but for 3D rendering or video editing 8 cores have use. If your software does no support 8 cores, it truly sucks. That is why I wouldn't even consider anything under 6 cores to that kind of work. Too bad Intel 6-core processors cost a lot so FX-8350 is best choice for budget.

    SSD: TLC tech, expensive and slow, skip that.

    RAM: Large heatsinks are useless. So get something with smaller heatsinks.

    MB: Processor is not overlockable so get something less expensive like H97 board. For AMD, Asus M5A97 evo is good choice.

    GPU: AMD is much better choice if you don't need CUDA.
     
  3. Vítor Costa

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    I made some changes, but now Im stuck on the problem if I need or not a new power supply...
     
  4. Wicked Mystic

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    What changes? That Corsair PSU is what model? VX-550?
     
  5. Vítor Costa

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    VS550.

    I7 4790 3.6GHZ 8MB SKT 1150
    G.SKILL PC3-17000 2133MHZ 16GB TRIDENTX CL9 (2X8GB) DDR3
    CRUCIAL SSD MX100 256GB 2.5" SATA III
    ASUS GEFORCE GTX760 DIRECT CU II OC 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0 or
    ASUS RADEON R9 270X DIRECTCU II 2GB GDDR5

    This is what I have sure of.
     
  6. Wicked Mystic

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    Sure of? Probably not.

    Again, that i7 is only quad core and have no match for FX-8320/FX-8350 on heavily threaded applications or multitasking. On Intel side i7-4790 is worst possible choice because similar one http://ark.intel.com/products/80910/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1231-v3-8M-Cache-3_40-GHz is much cheaper. So pick Xeon 1231v3 if sticking with Intel.

    Processor supports max 1600 memory so that 2133 goes waste. Also Intel does not support over 1.5V memory.

    SSD OK

    Radeon R9 270X is very overpriced. Compare

    http://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...CU-II-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_949155.html
    http://www.mindfactory.de/product_i...I-TOP-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_956893.html

    Speed difference is huge, price difference not. Radeon R9 280 is also way better than GTX 760 (was 770).

    I also recommend new PSU.
     
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  7. Vítor Costa

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    CPU COMPARE - http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-E3-1231V3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790

    GPU COMPARE - http://gpuboss.com/gpus/ASUS-Radeon-R9-280-vs-ASUS-GeForce-GTX-770

    But yeah, R9 280 might be a better choice than GTX 760.

    Even cpu dont support, I take more speed and performance with 2133 that with 1600. And the difference its just 10€.

    I'll buy the XFX PRO CORE EDITION 750W 80PLUS BRONZE
     
  8. Wicked Mystic

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    CPU compare is not good. That is much better: http://ark.intel.com/compare/80910,80806

    Basically, for paying 62 dollars more (that is 25% more), you get 0,2 GHz more clock speed (that is, 5%) and useless integrated graphics. If you have no need for integrated graphics, Xeon is way better choice. And if you really want i7, then i7-4690K http://ark.intel.com/products/80807/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_40-GHz is much better than i7-4790 without K. That K model is 10 percent faster and has unlocked multiplier. So i7-4690 has no match for either Xeon 1231V3 or i7-4790K.

    I meant of course GTX 760 that you mentioned.

    XFX Core edition is not so good quality anymore. Also on that rig, PSU around 500W is best choice.
     
  9. Vítor Costa

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    For buy 500w I stick with mine. If I buy 750w that gives me a good space for the future.
     
  10. Wicked Mystic

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    Spare for what? Unless you are adding another graphics card, all extra watts goes to waste, PSU procuces more heat and consumes more electricity.

    Power consumption is getting lower, not higher. Except ultra high end parts of course.
     
  11. Vítor Costa

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    very possible final setup:

    INTEL CORE I7 4790 3.6GHZ 8MB SKT 1150
    G.SKILL PC3-17000 2133MHZ 16GB TRIDENTX CL9 (2X8GB) DDR3
    CRUCIAL SSD MX100 256GB 2.5" SATA III
    GIGABYTE Z97X-UD3H RG SA SKT 1150
    XFX PRO SERIES CORE EDITION 650W 80PLUS BRONZE
    ASUS GEFORCE GTX760 DIRECT CU II OC 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0
    and
    ANTEC THREE HUNDRED (my current case)

    1000€ with the 20€ of the work and tests.
     
  12. Wicked Mystic

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    Once again, processor way overpriced and bad choice.
    Z97 motherboard makes no sense because processor has locked multiplier.
    PSU not so good quality.
    Radeon R280 wins GTX 760 hands down.

    Seems like you are not getting my advice. Go ahead then and buy overpriced crap. Not my problem
     
  13. Vítor Costa

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    Z97 because of 2133mhz, dude. I prefer NVIDIA, any problem? PSU is the best price/quality.

    edit: And btw the cost of R9 280 is higher of GTX 760.
     
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  14. Wicked Mystic

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    How is z97 chipest better for 2133 MHz memory than H97? Because memory controller is on processor, chipset does not make any difference on memory. Motherboard BIOS may make a bit. If you prefer Nvidia AND it's cheaper than R9 280 (very strange pricing), there is not problem but you could have said that. How about processor? PSU is not bad but not good either. Also 650W is too much if you are not planning to put second video card.

    Still, that is much better than starting rig.
     
  15. Vítor Costa

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    Because any H97 doesnt support 2133mhz. And you should know the price of things before talking. But yes, its obvious better than 760. And yes you're right on PSU but makes me sad buying one psu with the same watts of mine eheh
     
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  16. Wicked Mystic

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    Maybe but chipset has nothing to do with it. I see no reason to pay much more for getting memory speed 2133 that translates to 1-2% speed difference. Unless you say where you are buying from, I use common pricing. Oh yeah, it sucks to buy new PSU that is not even "better"...
     
  17. Vítor Costa

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    But the motherboard does. And the H97 boards doesnt support that speed ram. thats why I choose z97, who support. For multi tasking and high performance more ram speed its better and we are talking about less 10€ difference between 1600 and 2133/2400.
     
  18. Wicked Mystic

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    OK that memory issue is clear. Then again if you choose more expensive Z97 board, then there is no reason to buy processor that has locked multiplier that hampers overclocking very much. Even if you are not overclocking right away, after couple of years surely.
     
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    GIGABYTE Z97X-UD3H (132,85€) or Z97-C (122,50€). But I will go for the cheaper.
     
  20. Wicked Mystic

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    Good choice.
     

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