Um, our point was that if you want to use 3D in Linux, ATI is not a good option. Additionally, people who are serious about using Linux should not use hardware which is not well supported in Linux. In fact, people should not buy hardware that is not well-supported on their platform period, no matter which platform they choose. I don't see what's so confusing about that. If Harrack52 is more interested in using ATI cards specifically than having cards which work well in Linux, that's his prerogative. He said: While I agree that ideally this would be the case, it's ATI's responsibility to get drivers which work for the Linux platform, or for any platform. The specs are closed on their product, and the source code for their drivers is not available to Linux developers. For this reason they's no way anybody but ATI can make Linux drivers (or for BSD, or Solaris, or anything else). Otherwise, ATI hardware would work beautifully "out-of-the-box" on Linux, no user-interaction necessary. What you are asking for is unreasonable. It's akin to me asking you to draw a highly accurate sketch of how my office looks under the following conditions: You cannot visit my office personally. Nobody who has been in my office can describe it to you or sketch it for you. You cannot have somebody who has been in my office build a mockup for you to study. What do you think your chances would be of drawing an accurate sketch of my office? I'd venture a guess of "not very good at all". What needs to happen is that either a) ATI needs to put more serious effort into developing their closed-source drivers (this is what NVidia has been doing, that's why I own an NVidia card) or b) ATI needs to open-source their drivers so that Linux developers can work on it themselves (Intel has already done this, and AMD may do the same with ATI's drivers now that they've aquired the company). But unless they do either a or b, ATI's Linux drivers will continue to be horrendous. I used to own ATI cards, but I sold them when I made the decision to switch to Linux. I don't regret the decision. It took me 15 minutes to pick out a replacement card at newegg.com and about 15 minutes to list my old card on the B/S/T forum here. I wonder how much time I wasted doing malware scans, system recoveries, reformatting, defragmenting, and restoring backups on Windows? A lot more than 30 minutes, friend, I assure you.